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Third Horse-Slaughter Business Qualifies for USDA Inspections

A third business has met all the statutory and regulatory requirements to require USDA to provide inspection services when it begins processing horsemeat for human consumption.

Department of Justice (DOJ) attorneys representing USDA have informed the U.S. District Court for the District of New Mexico that it may want to expand its temporary restraining order against horse slaughter to include Rains Natural Meats in Gallatin, MO.

That restraining order currently only prevents USDA from providing inspection services to Valley Meat in New Mexico and Responsible Transportation in Iowa, the first two businesses to qualify since a five-year ban on spending federal money on horse slaughter inspections ended in 2012.

“When this court entered its temporary restraining order, Rains Natural Meats had not yet met the requirements for a grant of inspection, and thus the temporary restraining order expressly applies only to FSIS’s (Food Safety and Inspection Service’s) inspection of the Valley Meat and Responsible Transportation facilities,” the DOJ attorneys wrote, adding, “But circumstances have changed, and Rains Natural Meats is now eligible and requesting a grant of inspection.”

The government attorneys said that, while they were not waiving any of their earlier objections to federal Judge M. Christina Armijo’s order, they understood that she may want to amend it in light of the new reality.

Rains Natural Meats is a small meat and poultry slaughter and processing facility with about 5,300 square feet. Built in 1998, it has been a USDA-inspected facility for various meat and poultry processing since it was built, but the business has had difficulties due to the slow economic recovery.

Owner David Rains opted to file for an equine grant of inspection on Jan. 13. While waiting for the application to be approved, he told local media outlets that he’s been driving a school bus to pay his bills.

In its “Decision Memo,” USDA said the Federal Meat Inspection Act (FMIA) requires government inspectors to conduct ante-mortem inspection of all amenable species, including cattle, sheep, swine, goats, horses, mules and other equines, including a post-mortem inspection of “carcasses and parts of all amenable species.”

“Horses, mules, and other equines have been among the livestock species that are amenable to the FMIA since it was amended by the Wholesome Meat Act in 1967,” wrote Philip S. Derfler, FSIS deputy administrator.

FSIS is required to conduct an examination and inspection of the methods of slaughter to ensure they are in compliance with the Humane Methods of Slaughter Act, which calls for prevention of needless livestock suffering.

In the USDA memo, Derfler says the decision to provide inspection services under the FMIA “is purely ministerial because if a commercial horse slaughter plant meets all of the statutory and regulatory requirement for receiving a grant of federal inspection, FSIS has no discretion or authority under the FMIA to deny the grant on other grounds or to consider and choose among alternative ways to achieve the agency’s statutory objectives.”

“Therefore, a grant of federal inspection services under the FMIA is not a major federal action that is subject to NEPA (National Environmental Policy Act) requirements,” he added.

Horse rescue and animal-welfare groups have sued in federal court in New Mexico, charging that NEPA requires USDA to conduct environmental reviews before granting inspection services for horse slaughter. Judge Armijo granted a temporary restraining order just ahead of the start dates for Valley Meat and Responsible Transportation.

In a separate proceeding, a federal magistrate has ruled that a plaintiff’s bond of almost $500,000 per month might be required to cover potential losses by the defendants while the case is argued. The bond is intended to compensate the defendants if the plaintiffs lose.

Government attorneys then suggested the case be accelerated and the plaintiffs agreed. Both sides are now preparing briefs that should frame the issues for the judge to decide by about Oct. 10. After she rules, the losing side will likely appeal to the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals in Denver.

About 175,000 horses from the United States are exported for slaughter each year to Canada and Mexico. New USDA-inspected horse-slaughter facilities in the U.S. would export horsemeat for human consumption to areas of the world where there is a demand, mainly Europe and Asia.

© Food Safety News
  • susanmeanslily

    Domestic horse processing plants are needed. I hope more plants will open, also, in different areas of the country so that horses heading to slaughter will have a shorter trailer ride. I prefer that all US horses being slaughtered go to US regulated facilities.

    • BoneheadDetector

      Anyone who claims this is just repeating the misinformation being spread by the slaughterhouse lobbyists and hasn’t taken the time to really learn the issue. USDA slaughter oversight in the US is horrific, probably just as bad as in Mexican facilities. That is very well documented, even by the USDA itself. If you really cared about horses you would not want slaughter in the US or outside. Want to see footage from inside a USDA inspected facility? Check this out: http://www.vetsforequinewelfare.org/usda_foia.php Congress needs to pass the SAFE Act IMMEDIATELY which will stop slaughter in the US and prevent their export for slaughter. That is the only way to end this abuse. Everyone needs to write Congress and urge support of the SAFE Act http://www.awionline.org/SAFEAct.

    • Curt

      Susanmeangirl It will be a short trailer ride for Missouri horses (which there aren’t any) every place else will have the same if not longer, hellish ride to their horrendous terrifying end.

      • susanmeanslily

        At least they will be transported under APHIS, unlike those going to Mexico. transportation and processing under good management will be a Godsend for the horses that otherwise would be uncared for. 24 hours compared to months of not getting enough to eat is a no-brainer. There are a lot worse “ends” to a horses life than slaughter.

        • JanWindsong

          You are obviously investing in the slaughter of horses. Either that or you are part of the conspiracy to hide the truth of the adulteration of the meat and cna casually foist certain death and injury onto children and certain racial groups that are sentitive to the drugs given to horses and show cattle. There is no “worst” end for a horse than to be lined up in bloody alleys waiting for death. Sounds like something you might want to have happen to you? How do you value the “end?” 24 hours? Where do you get that figure? Horses are on the road for a lot longer than that when they are changing hands and stopping over at auctions on their way to the border. Since you stand with APHIS, check out some of the photos they have of injuries to horses and conditions they live in whilst transporting to slaughter when it was criminally occurring in th eUS. Slaughterhouses were operating illegally when they were open in the US. No one knew and it took a mighty effort by thousands to have the law enforced. You are looking to operate criminally again. And see dollars at the end for you.

          • Janna Lukens

            Slaughterhouse Sue Wallis has a new scam brewing to circumvent the rules of “the game” so she can start killing horses. Some of her loyal cult members are apparently hoping or anticipating being a part of it, reaping some sort of reward. That, of course, explains why some of the people work so hard to memorize her talking points. It’s more than just trying to win “the right” to kill their own horses. They are looking for a much bigger piece of the horse pie. I just keep thinking about that truck raffle and wondering how people can continue to believe her when lie after lie and con after con have been exposed. I’m sure that one day they will find out that when you sell your soul to the devil, you end up in hell.

          • susanmeanslily

            When I die, and we all do at some point, I hope I will be able to donate my organs to save the lives of others, my skin for burn victims, my bone marrow to save the life of a child dying of leukemia, my corneas to help a blind person see again. If that isn’t possible, I want my corpse to go to a medical school. They are badly in need of cadavers for their students. I wish to be useful in death. I don’t see the sense in wasting space in a graveyard. It’s not like I’m going to need my body any more after I’m dead. Hopefully, I will go quickly. I have seen a lot of people die a long, slow death due to illness or age. I wouldn’t want that for myself…why would I want that for any species?

          • Deedie

            Would you just like to be slaughtered when you’ve outlived your usefulness? You want that for other species. Why not for yourself?

        • Curt

          The 2011 GAO report confirmed that USDA/APHIS has not – and cannot – enforce humane transport regulations for equines sent to slaughter.

          Changing a few words here and there in the regulations will not change this. USDA/APHIS allows the kill buyers and haulers to fill out and provide the documentation – which is routinely missing, incomplete or inaccurate – relied on for enforcement. It is impossible to enforce regulations when the information to determine violations is supplied by those USDA/APHIS is supposed to be regulating.

        • Brenda Tyrrell

          And we know this how? Certainly not based on the recent indictment of Three Angels Farm, a Lebanon, TN trucking company, who had two interstate mishaps involving horses headed to slaughter. They were shut down but they just started back up under a different name. How would transportation be any different if they were shipped to a location in the US?

        • Deedie

          “At least”, hell! Horse slaughter isn’t necessary no matter what you say, Susan mean and silly!

        • MorganLvr

          No, there is NO worse end for a horse than slaughter, and I believe we’ve had this conversation before, you troll.

          As far as transport here, check out these violations the USDA photographed at Beltex, in Ft. Worth, and Dallas Crown, in Kaufman. They took over 900 pictures – obtained under FOIA – but they never DID ANYTHING! Maybe as small fine, and everything went on as usual.

          Commercial Transportation of Equine to Slaughter Act (9 CFR PART 88 ) Violations: http://www.kaufmanzoning.net/violationsfoia.html

        • Deedie

          I believe slaughter is much like torture. I don’t think a short ride to the slaughter house is going to make it more soothing in the kill box. You really believe that???

          • susanmeanslily

            As soon as the horse enters the kill box, they are shot in the head, which renders them unconscious. It doesn’t cause pain. The horse has to be unconscious before it can be bled out. This is much preferable than a horse that is in pain or not getting enough to eat for months or even years.

          • Deedie

            Just because a horse doesn’t go to slaughter means they starve? Slaughter is the only way?? What about the waiting in the kill pens? The walk down the death chute? Do you know that the captive bolt doesn’t always render them senseless on the first or second or even third try? How would you know if this is a preferable death? Watch a few horse slaughter videos , please tell me how humane that is, just one more time.

    • Judye Michaels

      susanmeanslily, I BEG you to please visit http://www.kaufmanzoning.net and SEE just how slaughter was conducted in American slaughterhouses before it was banned. Look at the videos and see how many times horses were bled out while conscious. Look at how the town of Kaufman, TX, was devastated. Review the income tax return where Dallas Crown paid $5.00 to the IRS on $12,000,000.00 worth of sale of product. Think about the neighboring residences where horse blood came up the drains and out of the faucets — the vermin, the buzzards, the stench, the noises from horses screaming. The ONLY difference between horse slaughter in Canada or Mexico and in America is the cost of fuel and tolls!
      If you’re so sure that horse slaughter belongs in America, please go move next to one so you’ll enjoy the full benefit of what you want! …IF – GOD FORBID – horse slaughter returns to our beautiful country!

      • susanmeanslily

        Rains Natural Meats is a US owned company. It has the support of its community. I never went to Kaufman, TX, but the amount of misinformation that has been bandied about on the slaughter issue makes me very doubtful of any authenticity of the complaints made about it. I have read up on the US regulations concerning slaughter. If there are any transgressions, heavy fines should be levied. I’m tired of seeing horses not getting enough to eat because they aren’t seen as valuable or aren’t wanted. Horse numbers need to be drastically reduced in this country, and slaughter is a good way to weed out the less desirable ones and bring the price up of the desirable ones.

        • problemsolver

          Right on!

          • MorganLvr

            And what do you know that makes your opinion worthwhile?

        • Curt

          Over 900 pages of pictures and abusive practices were at USDA inspected plants with USDA inspectors documenting the abuses. This is at US of A plants. At the time the plants were operating in the US there was starvation and abuse going on by the same individuals that do it to this day, There are the same asstards that will do it today, tomorrow and in the future. Some people are just born missing something. Dallas Crown in Kaufman was fined thousands of dollars for abuses and violations. They wanted a jury trial for each offense far exceeding the towns budget to prosecute.

        • Brenda Tyrrell

          Susan Humphrey – Right, the problems that the former mayor of Kaufman, TX had with the horse slaughter plant in their community must be a crock because you said so. For those who want to know what happens when horse slaughter comes to town, you can read about it at http://www.equinewelfarealliance.org/uploads/Paula_Bacon_Letter_opt.pdf

        • Janna Lukens

          “I’m tired of seeing horses not getting enough to eat because they aren’t seen as valuable or aren’t wanted.”

          I AGREE with you on this point! But I will add that I’m tired of seeing heartless, cruel, greedy, STUPID people continue to own horses they can’t possibly afford, don’t know how to train, who measure the worth of a horse by price per pound, whose self-worth can only be realized by banding together with like-minded psychopaths in the horse-killing cult to justify their anti-social psychosis. These individuals should NOT own animals. If slaughter is their only solution to any problem, they need to seek psychological help from a professional – because they are really, really sick.

          I disagree with your statement: “slaughter is a good way to weed out the less desirable ones and bring the price up of the desirable ones.” Once again, if you really want to reduce the number of “less desirable” horses, ban horse slaughter. The best way to INCREASE the number of horses is to open horse slaughter up for people who otherwise can’t make it in the horse industry. They’ll continue to breed and slaughter. Horse trainer wannabes will continue to send that “difficult” pony that they can’t handle straight to the kill box.

          There comes a point where we, as a civilized society must draw the line against those who fail to act with compassion. WE are tired of MEAN people.

        • MorganLvr

          No, they don’t.

          How the GAO Deceived Congress About Horse Welfare After Closing of US Slaughter Plants: http://youtu.be/BSxUPNgzgn4

          White Paper: How the GAO Deceived Congress About Horse Welfare After Domestic Horse Slaughter Plant Closings:
          http://equinewelfarealliance.o

          GAO Accused Of Fraud As Horse Slaughter Plants Fight To Open: http://www.forbes.com/sites/vi

          GAO on Horse Abuse: http://james-mcwilliams.com/?p

          The Fuzzy Math Being Used to Justify Horse Slaughter in the United States: http://www.psmag.com/environme

          Evidence Shows GAO Horse Welfare Report Fraudulent: http://bit.ly/18oCAGO

          If you think Rains Meats has the support if the community, go see https://www.facebook.com/groups/505588659526612/ by the people of Gallatin, MO

    • Janna Lukens

      Horse slaughter is totally unnecessary. When the SAFE Act is passed, inhumane transportation of mistreated horses will no longer be an issue.

    • Deedie

      WRONG. Have you noticed how you’ve been “out fact’d” here? Point for point we’ve replaced your myths with truths. I know it’s hard to accept, but it’s true.

    • MorganLvr

      No, they are not! This entire story about all the unwanted horses since the domestic plants closed is pure fiction from the pro-horse slaughter faction. I’d check this out if I were you.

      How the GAO Deceived Congress About Horse Welfare After Closing of US Slaughter Plants: http://youtu.be/BSxUPNgzgn4

      White Paper: How the GAO Deceived Congress About Horse Welfare After Domestic Horse Slaughter Plant Closings:
      http://equinewelfarealliance.org/uploads/How_the_GAO_Deceived_Congress-final.pdf

      GAO Accused Of Fraud As Horse Slaughter Plants Fight To Open: http://www.forbes.com/sites/vickeryeckhoff/2013/08/08/gao-accused-of-fraud-as-horse-slaughter-plants-fight-to-open/

      GAO on Horse Abuse: http://james-mcwilliams.com/?p=4334

      The Fuzzy Math Being Used to Justify Horse Slaughter in the United States: http://www.psmag.com/environment/the-fuzzy-math-behind-horse-slaughter-64336/

      Evidence Shows GAO Horse Welfare Report Fraudulent: http://bit.ly/18oCAGO

      We who actually deal with horses and are familiar with that’s going on knew that GAO report was fiction, because we continued to slaughter just as many horses after the plants closed as we did when they were open. Same auctions, same kill buyers. Only the destination was different for some. There was NEVER for one minute a loss of the “slaughter option” as they put it. Now, we have found evidence that proves this report was manipulated to prove what the pro-slaughterphiles WANTED it to prove, not the truth. Pretty low, even for slime balls.

      The horses always had long, horrible rides – this is a big country and we only had three plants – two in Texas and one in Illinois. There are many places in the US that are closer to Mexico or Canada than Central Texas and Illinois. In fact, we have always sent thousands of horses to slaughter in Mexico and Canada, and will continue to do so even if we have domestic plants again.

      As far as regulation, our domestic plants were owned and regulated by the very same companies and regulations that the large commercial plants where our horses go now in Mexico and Canada. Same, exactly the same. Our plants were horrific – I SAW our plants in Texas – and and not one bit better than the ones in Mexico and Canada. And they would be the same if reopened.

      Furthermore, our horses are NOT food animals and are not regulated as food animals. The regulatory body here is the FDA, and since they consider horses to be companion animals, in approving equine products they don’t take into consideration whether humans would be harmed by eating the horses because horses are NOT food animals. Many substances approved for use in horses by the FDA are expressly forbidden by them to use with food animals. Just deciding to eat an animal does NOT make it a food animal or make it safe to eat.

      If the FDA permitted horse products to be used with cattle, they wouldn’t be fit for human consumption either. It’s the way an animal is raised and regulated that make it safe – or not – for humans to eat. All these pro-slaughterphiles want to sell their horses for human food, but they are NOT raising horses under food animal regulations. NO horses in the US are raised as food animals. They are raised like HORSES – banned substances and all – and when the owners/breeders decided to dump them, suddenly they are food animals. Sorry, but it does NOT work that way. Not in any country in the world.

      There are no withdrawal periods for banned substances, no matter what anyone says, the LAW is that once a banned substance has been used, that animal is permanently banned from ever entering the human food chain. EVER. That goes for cattle, horses, pigs, sheep – whatever. Use banned substances and that animal is NOT a food animal any more.

      All domestic plants would do would be to put our horses in greater danger of being stolen and butchered than they are now. I spent 15 nightmarish years in the area of the Texas horse slaughter plants, and I KNOW. Many horse owners – including me – ended up just fleeing the state in order to protect their horses. If you didn’t live through it, you have NO idea. Go here and see how it was when Dallas Crown was operating in Kaufman, TX, 30 miles from me.

      http://www.kaufmanzonine.net

    • Deedie

      Well, it seems you are in a small group of people. I’ll bet you’re a breeder who has to cull your herd of all the mistakes you breed. You’re very much a part of the problem and we need you to get out of the horse industry, please. Thank-you.

  • R.T. Fitch

    Who in their right mind would want to build a business model on a product
    that is not marketed in the U.S., foreign demand is shrinking,
    litigation is growing and Federal condemnation is immanent.

    Do any of these horse-eaters have a brain in their head, or are they just running on
    some sort of horse blood high?

    It makes no sense anyway you look at it…all emotion aside.

    • savinghorses2

      Criminals. Pretty simple. People who defraud others. People who hide in other products and foods.

    • susanmeanslily

      Any business is about product and demand. There is an over-surplus of the product, horses, and a demand for the meat in Europe and Asia. A fat, healthy horse, unwanted for any other purpose, will bring about 25 cents per pound at auction.

      • JanWindsong

        There is no demand that is not being met in Europe or Asia. They have such a surplus of horsemeat that they are substituting horsemeat for beef – or is that the demand you are talking about?

        • problemsolver

          If its in the grocery store for $1 a lb. when beef is going for $7 or $8. the demand might go up and a low income family can a good high protein meal.

          • JanWindsong

            Guess you don’t know as much as you think. Horsemeat is sold in FRance at $40;00 per pound – where is this cheaper than beef? Making stuff up is not problem solving.

          • Janna Lukens

            YES Jan. But that is for HORSEmeat. When you mix the cheaper cutsof horsemeat into the beef, that’s a whole ‘nother story. You take the “prime” cuts and foal meat and sell that for big bucks. Quarter horses. But for the not so meaty, grind ‘em up and make “beef” lasagna, tacos, etc. It’s the only thing that makes sense. Contrary to pro-slaughter propaganda, not that many Europeans actually ate horsemeat BEFORE the scandal. And since the EU Horsemeat scandal, many only buy local beef now. There has been a drastic rise in veganism. People want to know what they’re eating and where it comes from. I’d think that the American beef producers would back off of the horsemeat issue. We might find out the truth, uncover what’s really going on here. And if the European scandal is any indication, WOW. It would be disasterous for the beef industry.

          • JanWindsong

            IN case you did not know, a family low income or not, can have a an excellent protein packed meal without meat. Yup,. there are plenty of vegetables you eat now that have protein in them. You can also add milk or cheese. You don’t have to have red meat. Red meat is actually not that GOOD for you anyway. Which reminds me, Sign this petition and make the commitment to stop eating beef until the ban on horse slaughter is passed.
            https://www.change.org/petitions/boycott-beef-until-the-sa-f-e-act-is-passed

          • dk

            Boycott beef until the Safeguard American Food Exports act is passed!

            This is where you can make your comments known on both the HR 1094/S541 Bills that go directly to the US Government! Please, please share this with your groups, pages, and ask everyone to please make their comments known regarding these bills!

            HR1094: http://www.govtrack. us/congress/bills/113/hr1094#comments

            S541: http://www.govtrack. us/congress/bills/113/s541#comments

            Just copy and paste this link into your browser and remove the space between the “.” and “us”

            Thank you.

          • susanmeanslily

            Keep your vegan agenda…I’ll eat meat!

          • JanWindsong

            Go ahead and eat meat, that is your choice. Horsemeat is not on the menu. It is illegal to sell horsemeat in America and for good reason. If you want to butcher your own horse, there is no law to stop you unless you torture the poor thing first. I would never sell you a horse or allow you to adopt one. You’ve got a predatory mind. Just the reason we have cruelty laws in place. Nothing means anything to you if it means you get a dollr in your pocket. That is almost unAmerican.

          • Janna Lukens

            Actually, many horses suffer terribly even prior to being slaughtered. Imagine getting stuck with such a bad owner. Some people should NOT have animals, especially horses. They probably shouldn’t have children either. Either one has compassion or they don’t. It could be a missing gene, but there’s just something wrong with people who abuse animals. Perhaps the most dangerous are the ones who don’t even realize what a bad owner they are.

          • Janna Lukens

            Thank you problem. You finally said something useful. You just explained the horsemeat scandal. Why not mix cheap horsemeat in with expensive beef and advertise (label) it as pure beef and sell it at a high price? Think of the profits for the Cattlemen! No wonder they are one of the most powerful and influential lobby FOR horseslaughter. And that is another important reason to ban horseslaughter. Food safety. It happened in Europe. It can happen here. It probably already has. Why does Walmart have to import “beef” from Canada and Mexico when we are over-run with cattle in this country? We need to protect our food supply. That bute burger is toxic.

          • susanmeanslily

            The European scandal was about food fraud, not food safety.

          • Deedie

            And that makes it ok? I’m missing your point here. The fraudulent part was that people were being fed horse meat on the slip. Why do you think that pissed them off so much? It’s not like they got a little BEEF mixed with their PORK. They got horse meat which is likely full of contaminants, mixed with their beef. There’s the safety issue. It was about fraud and safety.

      • problemsolver

        25 cents is better than nothing. Then you don’t have to spend 2500 dollars per year to feed and care for it. If its your horse and you don’t want to keep it then don’t.

        • susanmeanslily

          Exactly! There needs to be a disposal system for unwanted horses. If you sell your unwanted horse for $250, you can at least use that money to pay for the feed bill of the horse you want to keep. The unwanted horse is made useful as a meat product and you don’t have a body to dispose of.

          • Deedie

            “Disposal system” = breeding for slaughter. Why do you have so many “unwanted horses”? I’d say you need to get out of the horse breeding business if you breed so many mistakes that you need a disposal. Do you listen to yourself??

          • susanmeanslily

            I’m not in the horse breeding business. I don’t have any unwanted horses. I’m able to feed and otherwise care for my horses. There are horses that aren’t being cared for whose owners either aren’t able or no longer want to own them any longer. Most horses have several owners over their lifetime, which is around 25 years. What do you think should happen to the unwanted horses? Think about the thousands of dogs and cats that are killed in shelters each day in this country. Dogs and cats don’t have half of the life-span of horses. They are much less expensive to keep and don’t take up the same amount of space…before and after death.

      • Curt

        What about the poor starving, abandoned, lame, sick, old horses that you pro slaughter people have been touting as the reason to bring back slaughter in the US? So it is about money and making a profit off of your culls and cast offs?

        • susanmeanslily

          There are plenty of the thin ones, too. They can be bought for less than 10 cents a pound. Many of them go to feedlots to get some meat on their bones before they get butchered. It’s basically like cull cattle. When they are no longer useful to keep, they have another purpose.

          • Curt

            Is that what you do? Or Is that what you want to do? Buy thin ones fattened them up and sell them for slaughter? Are you going to provide horses for Sue Wallis’ slaughter plants? Hold em for 45 days and hope the drug residues are gone. In that case you want the price per pound to stay down. It is all about money and not about the welfare of the horse.

          • Deedie

            But wait….hold them in a filthy holding pen, while they await slaughter, to be fattened up, while they smell death, await their turn to be whipped into the death chute, into the kill box, hit with a captive bolt a few times, stunned (at best), yanked up by a hind leg, slit at the throat, bled out while alive, then “processed”, offal sent to pollute the land via an incredible amount of wasted water, contaminated meat sold to unsuspecting consumers overseas, for a dwindling market which lines the pockets of a small faction of people at the cost of hundreds of thousands of federal tax payer dollars, (while federal tax payer dollars to education are drastically cut)….and then call that the welfare of the horse?? Not only does it suck for the horse, it sucks for a lot of others, too. The greed of horse slaughter disgusts me. Those who support it should be ashamed.

          • susanmeanslily

            I am completely in favor of welfare for all animals. I don’t have any financial incentive for the opening of horse slaughter. I see it as an economic necessity and a benefit to horses for them to regain monetary value. An animal that is considered more valuable by its owner is more likely to be given good care. A horse that is thin because it hadn’t been given enough to eat, that is bought by a kill buyer and given free choice hay to fatten him up for 45 days, is a much happier horse than if it was still in the home that wasn’t feeding it enough.

    • radman

      Why is a horse so much more special than say a goat, sheep or even a cow..because you make it a pet. This issue is not running for federal condemnation in fact it is only going to grow in size. all you are doing is giving cash to other countries because you are not stopping horse slaughtering or people from eating horses. you can not stop them from selling horses to other farmers from other countries just for slaughter. So what is the big deal here? is the horse breed endangered, it sure is not cheaper to raise for slaughter and since I have never eaten it knowingly I can not even tell you how the tastes compared to other meats, Why the big deal I can not understand just taking Jobs away from US citizens because you feel it is a pet and not for human consumption. personal choice I tell you if you don’t want to eat horse meat don’t buy it. If there was no market for it then this would not be an issue.

      • JanWindsong

        It is a sorry statement of any person to think of a living being as meat to be eaten. That does not bode well for any living creature to have humans with that frame of mind in any position of decision making. America is built on value, moral and ethical discipline. We do not eat horses. Horses are our bonded companions. They have been essential to our spiritual and material growth. Horses heal us.
        The only horses being slaughtered from America are horses that have been treated for ailments, injuries, wormers. Drugs which are prohibited from animals intended for human consumption. Show cattle that are given the same drugs are also prohibited from being slaughtered. What is it about that reality do eaters not get? I think it is they are themselves criminal enough to allow others to eat meat that will kill children and certain racial groups after the onset of blood disorders and cancer. It is beyond me how horse eaters can look at themselves in the mirror but maybe that it is why they send so much time tlaking to each other. I sincerley hope that we start to see liability and wrongful death suits directed at some of these horse eater groups and businesses. They will come, it is just a matter of time now.
        Your jobs reason is forfeit (low paying high turnover) as is income (money is funneled overseas).
        In the meantime, please demand your Washington DC reps cosign S541 and HR 1094 – the SAFE Act.

        • problemsolver

          what a crock.

        • Eat what you like:)

          You should know your American History better than that… watch the documentaries on Lewis and Clark. They preferred to eat their horses. For some reason the thought of being an American to some means the thought of being able to limit the rights of others… stop! The right to be an American means freedom for all, that includes what others like to eat, ride, do for a living, and I could go on and on. Not all animals are drugged, not all animals are abused, and very few are. I think that it is inhuman to make a dog live indoors and be subject to living like humans… they are animals and should be treated like and animal not a human. But does that mean I can sue you for subjecting your pets to what I find cruel or inhuman… no it does not. There is always more than one way to look at things and I think it is time people spent less time trying to make sure that whatever they think is the only way that is allowed. Cheers!

          • dk

            Eat what you like, an estimated 90 percent of American horses have been given Bute, which makes them ineligible for human consumption in the European Untion.

          • susanmeanslily

            Where did you pull this “statistic” from? Are you doubting the ability of the USDA to test for the presence of drug residues?

          • Brenda Tyrrell

            The U.S. Food and Drug Administration currently bans the presence of 379 common equine drugs in animals slaughtered for human consumption. However, there is no procedure in place to ensure that American horses, sold to slaughterhouses and killed for human consumption, are free of these FDA-banned substances. Do you really think the USDA is going to be able to ensure that horses sent to slaughter have not been given these dangerous substances and do it all with less funding? Bute is a carcinogen and is a permanently banned substance in food animals which means no withdrawal period. The February 28, 2010 Paulick Report published a study revealing that 9 out of 10 racehorses are commonly administered bute before they race. Racehorses are frequently shipped to Mexico or Canada to be slaughtered for human consumption. Nitrofurazone, the most common wound ointment given to American horses, is also prohibited for use on any horse whose meat is shipped to the European community. Horses are not raised or regulated as food animals in the US and there isn’t any procedure in place to ensure that horses being bought at auction and sent to slaughter have not been given any of these permanently banned substances.

          • susanmeanslily

            Actually, the FSIS has new safety protocols for the testing of drug residues in horse meat.

          • Brenda Tyrrell

            Right–and you believe that all the meat will be tested and that all the drug residues will be identified? That didn’t happen before and won’t happen this time around.

          • susanmeanslily

            The USDA is responsible for ensuring the safety of the food. That is their job. If you don’t trust the USDA, I would suggest you raise all your own food.

          • Brenda Tyrrell

            Look at the recalls on the right hand side of this page and then tell me that we shouldn’t be concerned about the USDA’s ability to do their job. Add to that the inspection of horse meat (of animals that are not raised or regulated as food animals in the US) and it is a recipe for failure.

          • Brenda Tyrrell

            From the FSIS Directive 6130.1 6/28/13

            C. Random Residue Sampling of Normal-Appearing Animals

            Inspection Program Personnel are to randomly select, on the
            slaughter floor from normal-appearing equine, from every lot of animals that passes ante-mortem as follows:

            1. A minimum of 1 animal if there are 1 to 10 animals in a lot;

            2. A minimum of 2 animals if there are 11 to 50 animals in a lot;

            3. A minimum of 3 animals if there are 51 to 100 animals in a lot;

            4. A minimum of 4 animals if there are more than 100 animals in the lot.

            This random process means that a lot of equines who were
            given permanently banned substances in food animals will slip right through into the food supply. It is likely that the majority of horses going to slaughter have been given drugs, chemicals and treatments that are permanently banned substances in food animals because horses in the US are not raised or regulated as food animals. This random residue sampling doesn’t create much confidence that the banned drugs and chemicals will be identified and the tainted meat removed from the food supply.

          • Curt

            Okay I have had enough of trying to provide facts, statistic and references. Why don’t you post the documents that show Phenylbutazone can be tested ante mortem or from blood work. And why don’t you post the authenticated documents that prove that Phenylbutazone will leave the animal after 45 days. Real documentation not just the ramblings of a Deranged Wyoming legislator and bad poet.

          • Deedie

            These “statistics” were done by Lake Research. Out of what orifice did you pull your “facts”?

          • susanmeanslily

            They were paid for by the ASPCA. That makes it a biased. Scientific studies aren’t done in that way.

          • Brenda Tyrrell

            They paid to have a survey conducted; they didn’t pay for a particular result. If you had paid for the survey, the result would have been the same.

          • Janna Lukens

            Let’s talk about limits. How about speed limits? Should everyone have the “right” to drive as fast as they want? How about blood-alcohol limits? Does everyone have the “right” to drink as much alcohol and then drive as fast as they want? Should everyone be “free” to do whatever they please, regardless of how it hurts others? I can see you favor anarchy. However, in a society, there are laws, rules, codes, etc. Did Jeffrey Dahmer have the “right” to eat whomever he decided to cannibalize (you think that would take away his “freedom”?) HISTORY: First of all, horses were never thought of as a food animal in the United States. Yes, some people ate horses. Some people ate dogs. Some people ate people. I suppose you’re in favor of slavery because George Washington kept slaves? Maybe we should turn back the hands of time and give up our technology – just sit around eating raw horsemeat and grunting like cavemen. That would probably work well for you.

          • susanmeanslily

            Let’s talk about rights! Such as the right to eat meat! Are you trying to “make” people become vegan?

          • Janna Lukens

            No problem, susanmeangirl. Move to France. Pig out. Or would that be Horse out? Keep your cult out of Missouri.

          • Shawn

            Again check your history, horse meat was used extensively during the war years.

          • Janna Lukens

            That was due to a shortage of beef during the war. I have studied history, my friend. And that is one reason I am so strongly opposed to horse slaughter. I have studied the history of Kaufman, Texas and the history of a Wyoming state rep who is obsessed with killing horses. And like they say, history repeats itself. Do you want Gallatin to end up like Kaufman, Texas? Way to be. Geez.

          • Deedie

            They ate their horses when they had no choice, Eat. They didn’t eat horses on a daily basis. Americans don’t eat horse meat. It’s obvious that you just jumped on the pro horse slaughter band wagon and haven’t a clue as to what the facts are. I’m telling you, pro slaughter advocates aren’t known for their ability to read and do research.

          • JanWindsong

            Cheers? You may not have been here long enough to know that Americans do not eat horsemeat. It is against the law in MOST states to sell horsemeat for human consumption. What does that say to you? We ar enot like just like every other third world country. The idea that a thinking country would be controlled by the business interest of bloodthirst is really repulsive. You don’t continue with your story of Lewis and Clark, smart one. They were known to eat horsemeat and the Indians hated them for it. The Indians thought they were ghouls. For the Shoshone woman to guide them was a horrible event, she went without their blessing and was warned to be careful. The rest of the story.
            Why come to America? And demand we change our values? Does that make sense? We are different, thank goodness. WE have a peaceful society, hallelujah! We are kind to animals, imagine that. We do allow everyone to have a voice, for crying out loud maybe should change that. We don’t have to change anything. And yes, if you abuse your animals, you can be sued. There is so much about your post that need to be addressed, but I have other things to do right now.

        • susanmeanslily

          Eating certain kinds of food has to do with the culture a person was raised in. The US has a very diverse culture. There are plenty of people who would eat horse meat if it was made available in grocery stores.

          • Deedie

            Not plenty enough, apparently. Have you ever gone in an American grocery store and asked the butcher for horse meat? Well, I have. The looks I was given let me know that even if horse meat were available, no grocer who wanted to remain in business would carry it. People eat a lot of strange things in America, particularly in the south: rattlesnake, swamp rats, frog legs; however,the mere mention of horse meat repulses most Americans, even southerners.

      • salebarngirl

        Horses aren’t any more special then any other type of livestock . They are livestock just like the rest. So why not slaughter horses? Do you know how much opening up a slaughter plant would help the economy and the horse market? Every ones complaining about not being able to afford to care for their horses, or this horse is to broncy, or is crippled, well let them go to slaughter so they can still serve a purposes and feed someone who’s hungry and starving or someone who’s just not oppose to eating horse meat. It will help you and the people around you out.

        • Curt

          Yeah I know exactly how much opening a slaughter plant would be for a community. USDA says $3 million to $5 million initial cost to start an inspection program for horse slaughter. Training,materials and documentation and administration. Plus $400,000 per plant for inspectors. All for a one time payout to the kill buyer and owner that ends the revenue that can be had from that horse. More money is made from live horses than dead ones. Vet fees, farriers, tack stores, feed stores, hay dealers. The only ones that are complaining are the ones hanging out at the sales barn and complain. If they would go get a real job and make some money to pay for their lame horse to get vet care or pay for someone that could train them properly if they can’t. Or kill buyers that can’t get a steady haul because of DOT violations or driving record. If someone is hungry or starving they would do better to eat something that is not tainted with cancer causing drugs like horse meat. Besides if we drive the price up to what you want that starving person couldn’t afford to eat the horse meat.

          • susanmeanslily

            Excess/unwanted/unadoptable BLM Mustangs in holding pastures costing $45 million annually…If those horses were slaughtered and the meat put in food banks for needy people, look at the savings to taxpayers!

          • Janna Lukens

            The meat doesn’t go to “needy people”.

          • JanWindsong

            But then what would all those rancher vendors do for a living? Europe doesn’t want wild horse meat. The only reason the horses are “excess” is to justify a corrupt government program that has created a problem to satisfy the greed of ranchers using public lands, employment of other ranchers to round them up, wrangle them (even though they are wildlife and not domestic), vets to play doctor with them, truckers to transport them over and over and over all around the country and ranchers to house them now you want to kill and eat them. They are not excess to me, I want them returned to the range where they belong. I’d rather the millions of dollars paid out to “producers” for subsidies be terminated and their cattle and sheep prohibited from the range, saving taxpayer BILLIONS in costs. I’d love to see that $45 million go to more productive organizations (such as prisons to retrain their prisoners to gentle the wild horses, programs for veterans to regain their sanity after war by working with the wild hroses to gentle them, youth programs, ADHD programs, autistic programs, eco-tours of the herd management areas) than to the ranchers who have nothing better to do than lie and steal from the American public taxpayer funds.
            Your ideas are so simplistic and destructive.
            The meat banks you are talking about must be those bins from which ground meat is taken and mixed with other types of meat and sold as “beef”.

          • Cathy

            Yes, true Curt….start up is expensive, just like a lot of businesses that have to start from the beginning. Too bad the HSUS didn’t think of that before they decided the plants should be shut down. Too bad they didn’t think about what would happen in the future after closing down the plants. We had horse slaughter plants in the U.S. for years before & no one complained…They create jobs, which the U.S. needs. Also, there are 200,000 + unwanted horses in the U.S….guess whose tax dollars are feeding them? It’s a problem, a huge problem that needs to be deal with maturely & honestly & soon!

          • JanWindsong

            HSUS did not shut down the plants. Citizens shut them down. Every plant that was operating in the US in 2007 was operating illegally! And as is recorded, every plant that was operating was violating every local, state and federal law in place. The inspectors wer enot doing their jobs, the truckers were not doing theirs, the humane officers were not doing their jobs. The horse slaughter blight was a hell hole of human depravity.

        • Victoria W

          Simple…quit overbreeding!!!

        • JanWindsong

          Horses are not livestock. You may want them to be livestock so you can do what you;d like to do, but they are not. There are noi Cow War Memorials, no Sheep War Memorials or even Pig War Memorials. There are plenty of HORSE WAR MEMORIALS. You degrade an animal that has given everything it could to help us. Have you no shame? And I am not in any way taking away from the horrible treatment that cattle, sheep and pigs suffer at the hands of those who see them only as livestock (that is why Temple Grandin has risen above the crowd with her humane handling criterias), but you cannot have your cake and eat it to. Stop riding horses, stop selling them as performers and athletes. Ride your cow into town, how about create an industry that makes saddles for pigs? Etc etc. I’d love to see an international event such as is happening in Washington DC early October or the Kentucky Horse Park – be renegotiated for cattle or sheep or pigs. Yeah, sure that would be one crowded event wouldn’t it? How abou replacing all those horse training shows and have cow training shows? Lets train a sheep to pull a wagon? Get an education and give up the brain numbing mantra of people who want nothing for you but sure will take all they can get from you.

          • susanmeanslily

            You seem to want a horse elevated to a status above other species. You have the right to “worship” horses if you choose. I don’t worship any species of animals. Humans manage domestic animals. Animals have a purpose…some have a number of different purposes. They are all going to die at one point, and I don’t see why the meat should be wasted when people are willing to buy it.

          • Deedie

            I never said nor indicated that I “worship” horses. Treating animals humanely doesn’t mean that you are worshipping them. Do you realize that humans are animals, too? According to you “animals have a purpose…” and “They are all going to die at one point” and you “don’t see why the meat should be wasted when people are willing to buy it.” If we follow your philosophy, them people should be allowed to eat any animal they wish when that animal has out lived its purpose. Do you apply this philosophy to dogs and cats as well? How about people? After all, people are animals, too; if you know your animal kingdoms and phyla, you would be aware of how inapplicable your philosophy is. Facts are your friends. There is more to the world than your small circle.

          • susanmeanslily

            I’m certainly hoping my body will be useful when I’m done with it. I am listed as an organ donor, or my body will be donated to a medical school for students to dissect. If there was a market for the thousands of dogs and cats euthanized each day in this country because they are unwanted, I’d say market them. It isn’t as though the animal cares what is done with their body after they’re dead.

      • Curt

        More jobs are created from live horses than dead ones.

        • susanmeanslily

          A multi-million dollar industry has been decimated by the closing of the slaughter plants. The value of the horses that went to slaughter in Mexico and Canada was cut by at least 50%.

          • Brenda Tyrrell

            Horse slaughter is an insignificant source of industry
            revenue (For every $100 of horse industry revenue horse slaughter contributes
            $.03, direct revenues contribute $27.67 and indirect revenues contribute
            $72.30) and as such it is impossible that it would influence the financial
            health of the entire industry. The market for horse meat generates a low end
            demand that actually encourages over-breeding and poor animal husbandry. Horse
            slaughter is not the answer to “excess” horses when it virtually assures their
            production.

          • Deedie

            Decimated for people who breed for slaughter, maybe, as well it should be. The ridiculous notion that good horses don’t go for good money any more has been disproven time and again, although I knew better than to believe it in the first place.

          • susanmeanslily

            No one breeds horses for slaughter. Horses going to slaughter are unwanted for any other purpose. If people could sell them for above the slaughter price, they would.

          • Janna Lukens

            If no one is breeding for slaughter, why are they breeding “slaughter horses”?

          • susanmeanslily

            There isn’t any money to be made breeding a horse for slaughter.

          • Janna Lukens

            In order to make money in the horse industry, one really has to have a lot of money to start out with. Horses aren’t a cheap hobby. And as for the professionals, one either has to have their own fortune or have some pretty rich sponsors or clients. “Hired hands” work for minimum wages or less. Second rate trainers have a hard time making a living in the horse business and often have to have a “real” job. Clinton Anderson? He does okay. Breeders almost always have to be heavily involved in their sport (i.e. racing or showing) to make a name for their stallions and build a reputation. Money, money, money. Surely you have must have witnessed this type of money with your S.D. pro-slaughter Quarter Horse breeder cohorts, who – according to names on the lawsuit, are involved in the litigation AGAINST stopping horse slaughter in New Mexico, Iowa, and Missouri If that doesn’t indicate horses are being bred for slaughter, I don’t know what does! Quarter horse breeders on the Sue Wallis end of the lawsuit???? hmmm. Anyway, when folks who don’t have big money can’t afford to participate in the horse business, they sometimes try their hand in the horseMEAT business. Not the same thing, by the way. Bottom line for bottom feeders – if you can’t afford a pickup truck, you can’t afford a horse. Stay out of the horse industry. Get a new hobby.

          • Deedie

            Irresponsible breeders breed for slaughter. Anyone who uses horse slaughter as a disposal is “breeding for slaughter.”

        • Shawn

          Sorry Curt, but since the ban on slaughter, horses have dropped so far in value, jobs have disappeared at an alarming rate. I am a horse lover, I raise AQHA performance horses, and hate slaughter, but it is a necessary evil. I have a horse here that is a psychopathic lunatic (he is not mine but belongs to a friend) I have been told he has already Killed one person (not sure if true or not) I work with young horses everyday, getting them ready for productive lives. But I will NOT work with this horse, he has already caused the death of one of my horses, (pinned her in a corner, and kicked her so hard she was thrown threw the fence and shattered an elbow) Had to have her put down. Now would you like to take this horse and let your kids play with him?

          • Deedie

            It amazes me how people who support horse slaughter come across so many “bad horses”. I’ve owned horses all of my life and have never come across these thousands of murderous horses that pro slaughter advocates seem to find on every corner. In my region, Shawn, good horses still go for good money. I guess that’s because we don’t overbreed in this region as they must do in your area. I can google “horses for sale” in my state and find horses for sale anywhere from $20,000.00 to $200.00 to free. It depends on what I want or what I’m looking for. The argument that “horses have dropped so far in value” happens to people who over breed and wish to use horse slaughter for a disposal. Stop breeding for about five minutes and give the industry a chance to balance and maybe horses in your region will be worth something again. You are right about one thing, though: Horse slaughter is evil; however, it is not necessary….just very, very evil and greedy and environmentally unsound and deceptive and cruel, etc., etc., etc.,

          • Radman

            horse slaughter is not evil and is necessary. so what do you do with a horse you have to put down? burn it or burry it.. Why not get something for it?

          • JanWindsong

            You are seriously going to tell us that you raise QHs, yo see slaughter as a necessary evil and you justify it because there is a crazed horse in your barn who has KILLED someone and attacked another horse. One, I would say this horse is an aberrant result of bad breeding (probably QH); two, whoever trained this horse did a terrible job; or three) you are lying. For what purpose on God’s green earth would you put down a horse that broke its elbow and keep alive a horse that is dangerous? Possibly because you are breeding him? Making money off him? And why would you think to send this horse off to slaughter? Thats right, expose handlers and other horses to this monstrosity? You are a danger to everyone around you for your lackof brain cells. Here is a solution for you: call your vet, put this poor crazed horse into a trailer, close the divider and have your vet come in and give him a couple of shots and put him down. You might ask a stupid question about this horse playing with kids but people who know horses and are against slaughter would never be so foolish. You need to go play out in the garden, or maybe get a job in a library, or maybe read a book. But for sure, get out of handling horses. You don’t seem to know what you are doing and setting up people and horses for injury to prove a point should be a crime.

          • JustHoldYourHorses

            I’m an equine appraiser, and I can tell you that horse slaughter is NOT a necessary evil. It’s the opposite, really. The same number of horses as ever have been slaughtered every year since slaughter was outlawed within US borders. Having an easy out of slaughter, rather than being a responsible breeder, makes you a part of the problem. Until breeding is slowed to the point that there’s a balance between supply and demand, the value of horses will continue to drop. By putting a ‘bottom’ on the market of a few hundred dollars via the slaughter market, you are dragging the value of horses down even further. Think about it logically, instead of drinking the Kool-Aid of the pro-slaughter business developers. They’re doing to kill your business if you don’t stand up against slaughter.

      • Victoria W

        So go eat your cat or dog the next time you are hungry because that is essentially what you are advocating. People are already having horses taken for the “carcass” cost.

        • Radman

          that is not what I am advocating here. I am wanting to know why the horse industry has issue with the slaughtering of horses? yet like so many offer sarcasm instead of legitimate reason.

      • Tlion

        The Dear Lord did not put horses on this earth to eat. The Bible refers to the split hoof animals for us to nourish our bodies. SATAN is among us and is taking over. It is a very sad World we live in………….

        • Shawn

          Eons ago they were split hoofs, check the records.

          • Janna Lukens

            And they ate horsemeat during the war. Oh my, Shawn. That history argument just doesn’t work for you.

          • Deedie

            Three toed, not split hoofed, Shawn. You are referring to eohippus. Furthermore, even if horses did have split hooves “eons ago” they don’t now, so…

          • Janna Lukens

            By the time the BIBLE was written, horses were horses. No cloven hooves. So what was your point again?

    • Jan Hoadley

      Someone who has been processing other livestock and doesn’t have enough work to stay in business. More people exerting the food choices we keep hearing so many want and he’d be so busy with cattle and hogs and sheep to not have time to get to horses. Small processors go under so does food choices – the ability of small farms to have inspected meats for sale.

    • Radman

      I am glad there is a lot of opinions on this issue. Horse slaughter has never stopped in this country. The market for horse products are huge for both live horses and for slaughter horses. I have read a lot of responses here and I would think we are talking about pets here. over seas cats, dogs and horses are all part of the food chain. Here in the USA they are not part of the food chain. I can only assume it is our relationship views of the animals to humans.
      I do not own horses and do not want to own a horse. I have sold all my cattle so I am not disconnected from the issue. There are a lot of factors in this issue and one is with federal inspections we can assure that these animals that are loaded with drugs do not make it to human consumption. as it is now we can ship them into Canada and Mexico and they can be slaughtered there for human consumption and I do not know what the regulations are there.
      I understand but do not think it is right that you owners who think of a horse as a pet should not allow the horse ranchers to be able to compete in a fair an open market. Get real here horses have been slaughtered for Dog food and other items for years and no one has complained until the same people who have thousands of horses without all the drugs in them want to get more for their slaughter horses. Why are you so against them take away there pet status and think about how you are taking Jobs away from US citizens.
      It amazes me that since the animal has a pet status it is exempt from slaughter like other animals are. A horse is no different than other animals used for slaughter and if you do not think there are horse breeders out there breeding horse for slaughter purposes you are only kidding yourself. So many horses owners only want the horse as a status symbol and nothing more; these same owners do not spend all the money on shots and stuff the horses are lucky if they get there hoofs trimmed. regular meals might even be an issue when money is tight. Do not fool yourselves thinking everyone who owns a horse is a high end player. in fact I would bet over half the horses in this country suffer from some sort of owner negligence or abuse.
      So get of your high horse and come on down with the real Americans who own horses as pets. Them same owners get more for them at auctions when they are sold to slaughter houses who pay better for horses without all the drugs in them. I can tell you right now I can take you to a dozen + horse owners who raise horses for pets and there only purpose is to get ridden 12 or so times a year. They are are not abused and do not have all these drugs pumped into them but they are sold before they die for money. because it costs money to put them down and dispose of the carcasses. Come on and lets get real here. It is just another resource for horse owners when the horse reaches the limit with them.

  • http://burningbird.net Shelley Powers

    You didn’t mention about the prohibition currently in effect against issuing wastewater permits for horse slaughter plants in Missouri.

    The lawyer for the Missouri case notes that documents provided by Rains in that case demonstrate a need for a wastewater permit. If so, then Rains would not be able to start, because the DNR cannot issue it a wastewater permit.

    However, the USDA decision memo notes that Rains has arranged for its wastewater to be handled completely by the City of Gallatin sewer system.

    It will be interesting to see what happens if the judge does not modify her TRO.

    For those wanting to read the USDA filing directly

    http://docs.burningbird.net/horse/courtcase/document154.pdf

    For those wanting to read the Decision Memo

    http://docs.burningbird.net/horse/courtcase/document154-1.pdf

    • Janna Lukens

      Thank you Shelley Powers for consistently providing such great documentation and giving us the facts. I wish the pro-slaughterphiles would take advantage of the information provided instead of covering their ears and shouting “I CAN’T HEAR YOU!”.

  • Curt

    This location has a small unlined lagoon that was just recently dug it has never been tested with a heavy rain. The plant sits on a creek that leads directly to the Grand River 1 mile away. Their discharge will be drug laden toxic biomedical, hazardous material. Blood that will not break down because of all of the medicines given equines over their lifetime. They state that they now will truck the material to the waste water treatment plant of Gallatin,Mo. 3 miles away which doesn’t have the capability to remove the pollutants. The heads, offal, fecal material, and all other body parts will be put in 55 gallon drums and shipped to where? It sounds like a God father movie to me! There is a court order for the Missouri State DNR to refuse them a permit to dump on open land (thank God). Now they want to go around this order and overwhelm the local town’s (1,700 people) waste treatment plant? Citizens of the USA please help us stop this disaster from happening!

    • Curt

      Correction, The lagoon was not recently dug it has recently been repaired because 3″ cracks were found in the sidewalls and bottom when the clay cracked after drying out. What happens when they load it with drug tainted horse blood and fluids. It only has a capacity of 174,360 cubic feet. it is 90% full which leaves its capacity at 17,436 cubic feet. They will fill the lagoon in 11 days by processing 10 horses a day! The place sits on a dry creek that flows 1 mile into the Grand River. NOT good.

  • Janna Lukens

    The USDA can’t even keep our LETTUCE safe. So now the United States will be sending drug-laden cancer-causing horsemeat to feed unsuspecting European families who, due to the organized crime and corruption that the horseslaughter industry is infested with, may not even be aware that they’re eating toxic horsemeat mixed into their beef? If we’re now into bio-terrorism, perhaps we should send this tainted horsemeat to Syria or Iran instead. Why feed poison to our allies? Oh wait, maybe we’re already eating it here in the U.S. Why would Walmart be importing “beef” from Mexico and Canada? Our only “homeland security” seems to be vegetarianism. Works for me!

  • Shane

    from Shane : many thanks to R.T. Fitch, Curt and Jana Lukens and others for warning us of the hazards of horse slaughter which is not wanted in Missouri or anywhere else ! There is a hearing on the suit against the D.N.R’s attempt to issue a water permit without adequate environmental impact in Cole County so Rain’s “natural meats” will not be soon starting up its unnatural idea of treating horses as if they were nothing but “collateral damage” in this war on horses being waged by corporate profiteers. As to susanmeanslilly’s comments, refuting them for the one thousandth time: (1) a shorter ride to slaughter is done to maximize kill buyer’s profits not to mainimize the suffering of horses – which it won’t anyway; (2) U.S. is no better regulated than Canada or Mexico in the area of slaughter. There is no such thing as “humane slaughter” of horses because of the nature of horses themselves which does not change no matter where they are driven into the killpen: (3) I would bet my last dollar, susansmeanslilly is either a kill buyer or a commercial horse breeder and I’m heartily sick of all these corporate shills pretending to have concerns about the suffering of horses. You should change your stage name to susanmeansprofitingfromcruelty!

    • Janna Lukens

      Thanks, Shane! That is so nice of you to say! :)

    • Deedie

      I don’t get the logic of the short ride to the slaughter house, either, Shane. I’m sure as the horse is being hit with the captive bolt for the 5th time he’s all calm reflecting on that short ride to the horse slaughter plant. ??? Who believes that??

  • savinghorses2

    I hope the judge tweeks the restraining order. It’s president is to actually verify the Environmental Impact on the Environment, so they cannot allow this one to open in the middle of the lawsuit pending for the others. But it makes sense because Suey said to her minions the other day we are working on horse stuff and if we get a tiny hole we will drive a truck through it! In other words she was all excited knowing this was gonna happen. So the judge needs to act really fast amending the documents or America’s horses will be hanging from a hook next week! As well don’t forget folks the Tennessee Walker Soring issue is heating up again and Calvary Group is still working to stop the protection from increasing, I was also sent a quote from them and Dave Duquette stating that they don’t need this legislation it will impact the local economy, the shows income, the number of people showing, the farriers, veterinarians, and many other aspects of the local economy if they pass this-do they realize that the most recent show actually had a better turnout than in past years, made more money for the economy for that particular show and I want to point out-if any veterinarian or farrier will lose their entire years income because they have legislation that prevents them from making money-then either they are dirty, or they are really bad at their job. Because most people survive off their legitimate trade’s ethical treatment incomes from the entire year and don’t have to depend on a couple of rule breakers to pay their years worth of income. So between this shady horse meat industry and the fact that without this building the entire horse industry they claim will be washed down the toilet (couldn’t happen if they pushed it, which they attempted with the GAO (fraud) report.

  • savinghorses2

    Oh and Mr. Rains would have been enough to make me withdraw my children from the school bus cause having a horse killer driving my kids around makes my hair on the back of my neck stand up, knowing he was going forward with it. Now if he washes his hands of it, he could be viewed differently and accept most any job.

    • susanmeanslily

      Why so you feel the need to make a personal attack on someone you don’t even know?

      • Janna Lukens

        The ideas and actions of some people are so vile, they deserve them…. As a society, there are certain behaviors that we have an obligation to condemn. That drug dealer selling at the school playground? The child pornographer? The human slave trader? Puppy mills? Kill buyers and horse slaughter proponents? Yeah. We don’t want these behaviors in our civilization. There is no place for them in our society.

        • susanmeanslily

          Horse aren’t humans. Horses are livestock. You personal horse might be your best friend and a pet to you. You have that right. You can say what ever mean-spirited things you want to say, as long as you back your play with facts. When you start equating a legitimate businessman with a pedophile, you go too far. You have crossed the line into libel. That means Mr. Rains has the right to take you to court and sue you. I hope he does.

          • Deedie

            I think, susanmeansilly that you really are mean and silly and you would do all horses a large favor by getting out of the horse hoarding, I mean , breeding business. You’re obviously doing it all wrong if you breed so many mistakes that you need a “disposal”.

          • Deedie

            Anyone whose job title is “kill buyer” is not a “legitimate businessman”. Anyone who wishes to see horses slaughtered so they can line their pockets with their blood money against the wishes of most of America is unlikely to be supported by the Better Business Bureau. By the way, you are clearly confused about the definition of the term “libel”.

  • savinghorses2

    I guess they are doing the deleting of comments, tried to comment a couple of times, but anti-slaughter isn’t acceptable. Oh MY! What a surprise. I hope and pray that the judge is able to clarify this.

    • JAndrewsFSN

      Hello,

      None of our comments are published until we have screened them for profanity and personal attacks. We don’t screen comments based on opinions.

    • Curt

      I believe your comments are posted now. They are fantastic. Thank you.

  • LouieCocroft

    http://www.vice.com/read/they-shoot-horses-full-of-drugs-dont-they

    People have been pumping horses full of substances to get them to run faster as long as they’ve been sitting on top of horses and racing them against other horses for money. The difference between a win and a place can be literally a nose, so it makes sense that trainers would use everything at their disposal to give their horses an edge.
    Here are a few of the more common methods for enhancing horse performance.
    Frog Juice
    The New York Times just reported that upwards of 30 racehorses were found to be dosed with dermorphin, which is an ultra-powerful painkiller found in the skin secretions of South America’s waxy monkey tree frog. Frog juice also induces feelings of excitement and euphoria……
    In 2007, the Kentucky Horse Racing Authority suspended trainer Patrick Biancone for one year when a raid of his barn turned up several vials of crystalized cobra venom. While this might sound like some bad… Indiana Jones type …., cobra venom is extremely dangerous to horses—like Kermit, cobra venom is way, way stronger than morphine. Trainers inject the venom in very small doses under the skin when a horse is in pain, and the horse can then literally run till his leg falls apart. Because this drug rarely leaves a trace in urine and blood tests, a trainer pretty much needs to be caught red-handed, a la Biancone, to be found out.
    Cocaine
    While blow is not nearly as commonly used by horses as it is by their jockey counterparts due to routine testing, I would be remiss in excluding booger sugar from this list. The effect on horses is exactly the same as it is on yourself, except horses won’t close-talk you about how “groundbreaking” Mission of Burma was for three hours.

    Milkshakes
    The type of milkshake I’m talking about consists of baking soda, sugar, and electrolytes, and it gets delivered though a tube shoved up the horse’s nose. (People don’t do this for fun—this fights fatigue caused by racing.) This is pretty common—just last month, trainer Doug O’Neill, who recently made headlines with his Kentucky Derby and Preakness-winning horse I’ll Have Another was handed a 45-day suspension in California when one of his horses tested positive for elevated levels of CO2, a common side effect of milkshaking.

    Viagra
    Sildenafil (the science-y name for Viagra) improves the cardiovascular, nervous, and reproductive systems in horses, and there’s been research indicating that Viagra can be an effective therapy for Laminitis, a lethal foot condition in horses, by improving blood flow to the feet. While Sildenafil does seem to have some medicinal qualities and is allowed as a treatment for certain ailments in horses, it’s banned on race days because it enhances horses’ performance
    Anabolic Steroids
    Horse trainers have been juicing their horses for ages, and anabolic steroids weren’t banned in Kentucky, California, or New York until a few years ago. These are the exact same kind of ‘roids that athletes have been using to smash homeruns and win the Tour de France. How prevalent are ‘roids? Rick Dutrow Jr., a trainer who is currently appealing a ten-year suspension in New York and has been fined or suspended more than 72 times for medication violations, has openly admitted that he administered steroids to many of his horses including 2008 Kentucky Derby winner Big Brown.

  • LouieCocroft

    http://hoofcare.blogspot.com/2008/03/viagra-will-little-blue-pill-be-next.html.

    New York Times on Dermorphin:
    Turning to Frogs for Illegal Aid in Horse Races – New York Times

    Cobra Venum:

    Cobra venom said to be in Biancone barn – Horse Racing – ESPN
    sports.espn.go.com/sports/horse/news/story?id=2926083‎
    Jul 4, 2007 – One of the materials confiscated by Kentucky Horse Racing Authority investigators during the June 22 search of three Keeneland barns …
    Racetrack vet testifies about cobra venom | xLocal | Kentucky.com
    http://www.kentucky.com/2008/12/04/…/racetrack-vet-testifies-about.html‎
    Dec 4, 2008 – The veterinarian at the center of a notorious horse-racing medication case said on Wednesday that he never gave cobra venom to an active …
    Equine Chronicle » Milkshakes, Snake Venom, and Now Frog Juice …
    Aug 23, 2012 – Milkshakes, Snake Venom, and Now Frog Juice, What Will They Think of Next? – Just another Equine Chronicle weblog.

    Cocaine:
    ON HORSE RACING; Cocaine Case Proves Testers Are Gaining …
    http://www.nytimes.com › COLLECTIONS › COCAINE‎
    CachedFeb 28, 1989 – There is a line in an old blues song that says ”cocaine is for horses,” but until recently, horse racing’s cocaine problems were confined to the …

    Dutrow:

    Dutrow Barred From Training Horses in New York for 10 Years …
    http://www.nytimes.com/…/dutrow-barred-from-training-horses-in-new-york-for
    Oct 12, 2011 – The New York State Racing and Wagering Board revoked the license of the trainer Richard Dutrow Jr. and barred him from New York …

  • savinghorses2

    I live in Illinois and I know first hand what comes with horse slaughter. Until you have witnessed a kill buyer (pardon me, saint) drop off a couple of horses that were starved because he couldn’t make weight with them in the load on I-74 to fend for their own…unless you have seen them on the back roads parked waiting for people to go to work, and later that day, my oh my, what a surprise, those folks horses are missing, how will they make a connection? Blood on the streets, the stench in the air, the lagoon frothing and foaming, oh wait! That was the actual waste water treatment plant which was supposed to handle 8 times the amount of blood, fluids, and offal (horse body parts, and pieces of tissue). They make it all sound so easy to do, buy the horse, drive him in, he gets hit once, hes dead then hes a steak. They left out all of things from the beginning of the plan to actually get these horses or where do they store the animals that are rejected, and if they are rejected for health reasons are they actually medicated and cared for then follow a period of withdrawal? NO! They sit in the trailers on the sides of the modifying the documents, not opinion, by the way, on video, and they actually admit to falsifying records to get horses in, then at the last possible moment they pump them with a final round of steroids! These are things actually witnessed at the plants.

  • savinghorses2

    oh and I am NOT removed from the horse industry-just to make sure people know I have traveled all throughout the United States in the Past 6 months attempting to help horse owners, and determining who is doing what intentional and who is really in a true catch 22, not one time did any one person supporting pro-slaughter offer hay, feeds, care, assistance, and that makes them as responsible for those few legit cases we sought out, then the fact is most of the areas where starving horses were supposedly located the pro-slaughter people could not pinpoint and we found 1 or 2 but when we asked why they didn’t turn the animals in to get assistance they clammed up. :You are responsible when you see animals in bad condition and the plants do not absolve you of their need for care, and I am so sick of the twisted propaganda, I went to look over many areas in helicopter and we found volumns of healthy, happy stock, especially in areas that keep claiming they have problems. Now if these men need to make weight on every trailer and feeding horses costs are so very high then how pray tell do they make any money by taking these so called overrun animals that they are being told they cant slaughter and getting them processed, not one straight answer from a single pro-slaughter person we talked to. I heard their stories but standing in front of them in their states, I couldn’t get one of them anywhere to take me to the location of disclose the locations of where the supposed starving running rampant stock is located. I attempted to do this many times in many states, and all I ever saw were the animals they had in their possession in good condition, one man boasted his OLD animals just are too old, we had a nice veterinarian traveling with us, I will only comment to say he confirmed the animals ages were barely 10 years old. I tried, but when we showed up on their doorsteps, we got no answers, we didn’t go to the auctions or stockyards we know they are all full of abused animals that make the killer rounds, some buyers are known to take their rejects back to the next auction and let the next kill buyer try to fatten and slaughter them. WE don’t need to get sucked into the obvious. As well I do want to ask why when these auctions take place do we not have animal control and protection agencies as well as rescues impounding these animals without the rescues having to purchase them at all? This is backwards. When animals are brought in they need to be signed over to the rescues instead of auctioned. This would in fact, stop much of the slaughter rounds from being played, however, any rescue that is known to slaughter has to be superceded by those who do not. It also would allow for the animal control and rescues to site repeat offenders of animal abuse and decide what their fate will be. As well we need to implement a program that every state can use to put a notice on the persons drivers license that they cannot own a horse once they slaughter or neglect and abuse so many-they would be required to have it on Drivers license and on their State Identification, or even CDL’s. That way we can start to cut down on repeat offenders and it will be on record.

  • Jamie Holmes Imkamp

    Horses that make it to this slaughter house or any other slaughter house will have been held for a period of time until all drugs have had time to make it out of their systems, Just as in cattle slaughter or any other livestock. I am a horse owner and have been for over 35 years. I do love my horses, but i have seen several cases where there are horses that are being given away due to the owners not having adequate funds to care for them, but when a horse is either free or very cheap they tend to fall into hands that are in the same situation as the prior owners and the horses usually suffer from neglect, starvation, and abuse. If there were an outlet for these unwanted, unusable, and unruly horses such as humane slaughter they would not continue to fall into undeserving hands. It would also drive the price of good usable and marketable companions and show quality horses up. Also helping horses from falling into the wrong hands of people who can not afford to properly care for them. I wholeheartedly feel as it is a win win situation. If you have a horse that you want to sell and you do not want it to go to a slaughter facility, then it should be up to an individual to find a way to market that horse and keep it from ending up in such a facility ! If an individual would like to run around and take in every horse that they feel is going to be sold as slaughter, that is their God given right. But at some point the money to care for all of those horses will run short and even the “saved” horses will start to suffer .
    I have kept several horses through their “Golden” years and Spend thousands of dollars in vet bills, feed and specialty care to keep them in the best shape possible, as I had decided that they had served me well so I should do the same. Many of them put to rest on our farm. I could have sent them off on a meat trailer, but I decided not to . Although I have put many horses on meat trailers due to situations such as a dangerous horse that could have hurt people and at that point would have ended up starved and abused. Some have been aged horses that have had injuries that kept them from ever being productive and they were suffering. Better having them taken care of properly than ending up at the local sale and taken home and rode and put through more suffering and eventually meeting the same end after all ! So really think about this one., If you want to be a “Savior” that is your choice, you do it on your own and let People make their own personal decisions.

    • JanWindsong

      Your entire argument is fraught with “oppsy.” I feel for your horses. You must properly care for them, sort of scarey.

      • Deedie

        And again, it is only the pro slaughter faction who breed these numerous “bad horses” that are taking over the universe and must be slaughtered for their own good so horses will not starve and all will be right with the world.

    • problemsolver

      Jamie Holmes Imkamp’s argument is the best one I’ve heard to date on the unwanted horse problem.

      • Deedie

        Yeah, but you don’t know what you’re talking about anymore than he does. That you see his argument as a good one tells us it is not.

    • Brenda Tyrrell

      If a horse is given a permanently banned substance in food animals, there is no withdrawal period-no exceptions. Horse slaughter does not prevent neglect, starvation or abuse or we wouldn’t see it now because horse slaughter has always been an option.

      Horse slaughter is an insignificant source of industry revenue (For every $100 of
      horse industry revenue horse slaughter contributes $.03, direct revenues
      contribute $27.67 and indirect revenues contribute $72.30) and as such it is
      impossible that it would influence the financial health of the entire industry.
      The market for horse meat generates a low end demand that actually encourages
      over-breeding and poor animal husbandry. Horse slaughter is not the answer to
      “excess” horses when it virtually assures their production.

      The argument that property rights gives the owner the right to abuse, mistreat or
      dispose of the property in any manner they choose has no merit. Ending horse
      slaughter does not remove the owner’s right to end their horse’s life humanely and
      dispose of the horse in accordance with local laws. Many states through the
      departments of agriculture offer low cost euthanasia and disposal as do local
      veterinarian colleges and numerous rescues.

    • Janna Lukens

      1. Horses are routinely treated with many drugs which never leave the system. Just ONE dose of phenylbutazone makes a horse inelligible for slaughter for his entire life. If you don’t believe me, please visit the FDA website. There you might also learn that the FDA does NOT classify horses as “livestock” but as “companion animals like dogs and cats”. They refer to them as “PETS” and “NON FOOD ANIMALS”. I hope the information I just gave you will spark your curiosity so that you will check out the truth for yourself.
      2. There is no such thing as “humane slaughter”. Period. Even Temple Grandin, the Queen of Slaughter has said that horseslaughter is inhumane. I hope you will visit some of the links provided by other commenteers and visit http://www.kaufmanzoning.net to research this for yourself.
      3. Animal abuse and neglect is criminal. If you are a witness to it, please contact the authorities. It doesn’t make sense that the “solution” to a crime is to kill the victim.
      4. Horse slaughter has always been available. It never stopped. Since the slaughterhouses closed in 2007, abuse in this country has actually gone down.
      5. All horses are “dangerous”. They are large and strong. To send a horse to the kill box because a bad “trainer” can’t handle him is dispicable. Some people just shouldn’t have horses, I guess.

    • Jessica Perdue-guttman

      This is a ridiculous, baseless assumption and certainly not a justification for a proven environmental catastrophe. ie. Kauffman Texas . Good lord the silliest justification yet.

    • Curt

      The real reason horses in the slaughter pipeline are held for any length of time is because the kill buyers are forging the documents.It takes them a little longer you see. Although some documents have been used so many times they are falling apart. This is not an ethical business and dishonesty and cruelty abound. I can’t see you putting a suffering injured horse on a’meat trailer’ for slaughter. you must have a special kind of feeling for them, makes me shudder!

    • Deedie

      There is no withdrawal time for phenylbutazone. Look. I negated your wordy claim in one sentence. It was that easy.

  • Shane

    from Shane: aside from the profiteering motives of corporations seeking to remove all limits imposed by environmental laws and humane treatment of animals, there is something deeply disturbing about the obsession by pro-slaughter people about forcing horse slaughter on a country they know quite well finds it morally unacceptable. The Roman Empire used to sacrifice a horse, the “October Horse” in order to appease the vengeful ghosts of the enemies they had just slaughtered during the war (summer) season. Think there might be some unconscious connection with corporate militarism ? This push for horse slaughter is a symptom of a deep spiritual illness based on lack of reverence for life and worship of destructive Power.

    • susanmeanslily

      You have a cultural bias against eating horse meat. I get it. There are people in other countries…such as India…which will let its people starve to death before allowing them to eat meat from cattle. If you are correct, there will soon arise a new religion in the great United States of America. The magnificent horse will be worshipped and people will bow down to them…The Mighty Horse Gods!

      • Deedie

        Susan, mean and silly, you’ve lost this argument, and now you’re just being….well, you’re being silly.

  • http://burningbird.net Shelley Powers

    Oh, and PS…

    The USDA based its decision document on the wastewater treatment plant located in the City of Gallatin, yes, but the City of Gallatin in the state of Tennessee. Not the City of Gallatin in Missouri.

    Oopsie.

    • Janna Lukens

      Shelley Powers, I heard about this “mistake”. How did Gallatin MO get mixed up with Gallatin TN? Are you telling me that the USDA based it’s approval of a horse slaughterhouse application based entirely from visiting the WRONG website? Don’t they have to physically inspect the proposed facility? THE USDA can’t handle THIS and folks think they will be able to keep our food safe???? Disgusting! Wake up people and smell the bute!

  • Shane

    from Shane to Jamie Holmes Imkamp – you claim to be concerned about horses but admit you put some on a “meat trailer” – that says it all! You pretend that the problem of “unwanted horses” has to do with individual owners unable to take care of their horses anymore. Yet you know quite well that 90% of the horses bound for slaughter are from commercial horse breeders, not individual owners, who have decided they won’t make money on the race track or rodeo circuit. People don’t make their own choices when a horse slaughter plant is forced on a state – and then they are forced to pay taxes to support it and its clean-up ! Horse theft soars around horse slaughter plants – how about the rights of horse owners not to have to worry about their horses disappearing in the night because some lowlife cuts through the wire and dumps them off at the plant down the road ? Your argument, such as it is has no moral sincerity and carries the stamp of yet another template from the pro slaughter propaganda stamp machine. “I treated my horses humanely but others may not decide to if they can’t afford it ? “I loved them, even those I had to put on the

    “meat wagon” ? The Final Solution for horses is really an expression of abiding love ? If you regard a horse as a being with a will-to-live, you could never describe it as being just fit, when you are tired of taking care of it, as an item for trash pick up on the “meat wagon” ! If you are a real horse owner, not profiting in any way from the return of horse slaughter, I will eat my ten gallon cowboy hat !

  • LouieCocroft

    http://www.vetsforequinewelfare.org/white_paper.php
    VEW White Paper

    Horse Saughter –
    Its Ethical Impact and Subsequent
    Response of the Veterinary Profession

    A White Paper

    Prepared by Vterinarians for quine Welfare
    http://www.vetsforequinewelfare.org

    7. The promotion of genuine humane
    euthanasia for “unwanted” horses is absent from the repertoire of the pro-horse
    slaughter lobby

    Proponents of horse slaughter paint the
    industry as a humane service by which “unwanted” horses can be disposed of. It
    is hard to believe that most veterinarians faced with a client who has a horse
    that is old, sick or otherwise no longer wanted would suggest that the horse in
    question should be stuck on a truck and hauled thousands of miles to slaughter.
    Instead, the veterinarian would most likely suggest truly humane euthanasia via
    chemical injection, after which the carcass can be buried, incinerated, sent to
    landfill or rendered.[8] The
    absolute absence of the subject of actual humane euthanasia from the agenda of
    the pro-horse slaughter lobby on Capitol Hill, including the AVMA, is stunning
    and telling.

    Yet while the AVMA’s contention that horse
    slaughter is a form of humane euthanasia is used on Capitol Hill by slaughter
    proponents to block passage of the American Horse Slaughter Prevention Act, the
    AVMA does not even advocate slaughter as a form of euthanasia to the general
    public. To point, the association’s brochure on equine euthanasia, (“How do
    I know it is time?: Equine Euthanasia”), speaks only of
    veterinarian-administered euthanasia, not slaughter, and states:

    “Perhaps the kindest thing you can do for a
    horse that is extremely ill, severely injured, lame, or dangerous is to have
    your veterinarian induce its death quickly and humanely through euthanasia.
    Your decision to have your horse euthanatized is a serious one, and is seldom
    easy to make.” [9]

  • LouieCocroft

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DC7XFZKAEY
    John Holland,
    President of the Equine Welfare Alliance. Mr. Holland’s talk is titled
    “Understanding the Forces Behind Horse Slaughter

  • Shane

    from Shane to Susanmeanslilly: time to take a course in logic ! You keep repeating the false either/or of bifurcation : “either horses go to slaughter or they starve to death” here are other real alternatives : 1)stop overbreeding by commercial horse breeders who are responsible for 90% of the horses sent to slaughter with economic disincentives (e.g.fines); 2) put $400,000 a year into horse rescue organizations instead of paying for federal inspectors at each proposed horse slaughter plant; 3) realize a living horse is far more valuable economically as well as spiritually than one seen merely as a candidate for the “meat wagon”; 4) stop pretending that you are interested in the suffering of horses or providing a “floor for horse sales prices”. The push for horse slaughter comes from people like yourself who don’t want to pay for the upkeep of horses you don’t think will make money at the racetrack/rodeo – and you want the taxpayer to now subsidize the kill buyers with whom you work hand in glove. Spare us the crocodile tears and hypocrisy and just admit you want taxpayers to bail out your predatory “business”.

    • Janna Lukens

      Great comment Shane. Unfortunately, some people are LISTENING impaired. (sigh)

    • susanmeanslily

      Shane…perhaps you don’t believe horses are a livestock animal…I do. Perhaps you don’t believe people should have the right to buy/sell/trade/give away their horses…I do. This issue is about property rights… and the right to choose to eat meat. I don’t care what you do with your pet horse. You can bring him into your house to sleep in your bedroom if you want. I do care when someone starts trying to tell me what to do with my horse. If, as the owner of my livestock animal, I choose to sell a horse I OWN at a livestock auction as a run-through, knowing that horse will likely go to a slaughterhouse and be served to Asians or Europeans…I have the right to do that, as long as I follow animal welfare laws. I have a huge problem with animal neglect. I have seen too much neglect in the last few years, and I know part of it is the economy and the drought, but there are too many unwanted horses in this country and there needs to be some sort of disposal system for them. There is a demand for the meat and the USDA say they can test the meat for safety. More money from the slaughter of those horses will stay in the US if they are slaughtered in the US and the horses will have better treatment under US regulations.

  • ny bronc buster

    Do the animal rights activists think they can rescue 200k horses a year? Euthanasize and “bury” the carcass? DELUSIONAL!!! 90% of the world consume this wonderful protein option. The past 6 yrs.has been horrific on the American horse. Brutal transport and awful terrifying execution. A .40 fmj bullet ceases brain function instantly. 6 month med quarantine and you will feed 3rd world. Steinbeck said “a Man’s gotta be able to kill his own dog”. It’s gotta be performed in USA. Period.

    • Brenda Tyrrell

      Were you even awake when horse slaughter plants were operating in this country?

    • Janna Lukens

      “A .40 fmj bullet ceases brain function instantly.”
      And…. what is YOUR excuse? Maybe you’ve been eating too much bute!

    • Curt

      Whoa pardner! If you kill the animal instantly the meat is no good. They have to stun the animal until they can bleed it out. The number of people that eat horse in the world is a lot less than you think like somewhere below 8% and dropping every day. The figure of rescue horses rises with every post. It is only 1.8% they say are unwanted which there really isn’t an unwanted horse, they just haven’t found the right home. (we have more homeless veterans then we have homeless horses). All it takes is for every 50 horses we need to have one additional. We can handle that.

      • ny bronc buster

        Thank you for reply. I have personally exsanguated(no spell check on that one!) many deer. Its instantaneous!! Whole process in under two minutes. All of you should join four-H club. Those youngsters will show you how to care for that “livestock” correctly!! BTW, another couple hundred will be heading towards the “puntilla ” today in Mexico. Can you help them?

    • Deedie

      You base your support of horse slaughter on a quote from Steinbeck years ago and some percentages you made up? That’s bogus. Period.

  • Kat

    I don’t know any horse I have ever owned that would not be traumatized by the hauling, treatment, and ending in horse slaughter. No, they are not just livestock. Horses have been part of the human
    condition and environment forever. They have been beside us in war, life, and death for ions! They have been family members, run for us, pulled for us, and given us times of great accomplishment. I would really like to think the US is more evolved or just plain more humane than this! We need to be more aware of the amount of animals we are producing, not just breeding for breeding sake. We need to stop chasing ribbons with large scale production to find just that right equine! Just because you have a mare does not mean she should reproduce. AND the good stallion makes a great gelding. More responsible horse owners and breeders! We as horse people need to be more horse lovers than just horse owners. As for the people who would lower themselves to slaughter horses, you are the lowest form of being! I liken you with puppy drowning scum!

  • ny bronc buster

    More ignorance by animal “rights activists”. You didnt stop horse slaughter. Go wave goodbye to them as they cross into mexico bound for horrifying death. You are cowards and really don’t care about horses. You just don’t want it in your state. You cause the suffering. Period.

    • Janna Lukens

      Projection again. Read what you wrote! Ignorant. Coward. Don’t care about horses. YOU CAUSE THE SUFFERING. Period.

  • ny bronc buster

    More “delusional” B.S. from the unicorn chasers. You lost this cause in 2007. Go stand at the numerous Mexican border crossings and wave goodbye to the livestock that you made suffer.That’s the only thing you’ve accomplished. And your medication hoax is all lies. No bute is found after 6 months. Go clean out your litter box and chase them unicorns!!!!

    • Brenda Tyrrell

      Bute is a permanently banned substance in food animals-no withdrawal-no exceptions.

      • ny bronc buster

        They’ve been consuming it for years. Baby food especially, it’s a protein option in most countries. Being consumed right now by millions. Find the unicorn yet?

        • Deedie

          I find it sweet that you believe in unicorns, ny. I hate to be the one to burst your bubble, but they aren’t real. They are mythical…kind of like “humane horse slaughter”.

    • Deedie

      You’re saying the same thing over and over, ny. Is that all you’ve got? We’ve given you plenty of information. Try reading it.

  • LouieCocroft

    WHEN HORSE SLAUGHTER COMES TO TOWN (Excerpts)

    http://animallawcoalition.com/open-letter-to-state-legislatures-considering-pro-horse-slaughter-resolutions/
    Open Letter to State Legislatures Considering Pro-Horse
    Slaughter Resolutions

    Dear State Legislator:

    You will soon be asked
    to vote on … legislation regarding the commercial slaughter of American horses
    of which you probably have very little firsthand knowledge. No doubt you
    have heard from lobbyists and organizations who want you to support the
    practice, but before you do, you should ask yourself why the residents of Texas
    and Illinois worked so hard to rid their states of their horse slaughter
    plants. The answer may surprise you.

    I will gladly provide you with detailed reports from my former
    City Manager, Police Chief, and Public Works Director regarding odor and
    wastewater effluence violations at the Dallas Crown horse slaughter plant in
    the City of Kaufman.. The reports reference “decaying meat [which]
    provides a foul odor and is an attraction for vermin and carrion,”
    containers conveyed “uncovered and leaking liquids,” there are
    “significant foul odors during the daily monitoring of the area,”
    and “Dallas Crown continually neglects to perform within the
    standards required of them.”

    Therefore, in August of 2005, our City Council decided by
    unanimous decision to send the Dallas Crown issue to the Board of Adjustments
    for termination of their non-conforming use status. In March of 2006, the
    Board of Adjustments voted to order Dallas Crown closed, but the plant was able
    to tie the enforcement up in the courts until they were finally closed under
    state law in February of 2007.

    Dallas Crown repeatedly described itself as a “good
    corporate citizen.” I will be straightforward in asserting that they
    are the very antithesis of such.

    Dallas Crown had a very long history of violations to their industrial waste
    permit, ‘loading’ the capacity of the wastewater treatment plant.

    Dallas Crown denied the City access to their property for wastewater testing
    beginning October 1, 2004 until July 6, 2005 , despite requirement by city
    ordinance, city permit agreement, and court order.

    City staff reported that a $6 million upgrade to our wastewater treatment plant
    would be required even though the plant was planned and financed to last
    through 2015.

    Odor problems resulting from the outside storage of offal and hides over
    several days persisted not only in traditionally African-American
    neighborhood known as “Boggy Bottom”, but at the nearby
    Presbyterian Hospital , the daycare center, and surrounding areas.

    Transport of offal and fresh hides on City and state thoroughfares is conducted in
    leaking containers without covers.

    City documents reveal an extended history of efforts to have Dallas Crown
    address various environmental issues. Reports include descriptive
    language including such as “blood flowing east and west in the
    ditches from your plant,” “It has been over 45 days [it had been
    59 days] and no apparent cleanup has occurred,” “Your system has
    not improved and subsequently it has gotten a lot worse,” “Words
    cannot express the seriousness” of recent violations and the
    “adverse effects on the wastewater treatment plant,” and
    “Please be sure trailers are secured before leaving your premises to
    prevent spills,” noting also “bones and blood laying in front of
    the facility,” problems with bones and parts in neighboring yards and
    the attraction of “dogs and other animals.”

    In response to 29 citations for wastewater violations, each accompanied by a
    potential fine of $2,000, Dallas Crown requested 29 separate jury trials,
    potentially causing yet another economic strain to the City’s
    budget. We could, of course, not afford to litigate in order to
    extract the fines

    Dallas Crown took 11 months to submit a mandatory “sludge control plan”
    to assist efficient operation of the wastewater treatment plant though
    City staff requested it orally and in writing many times.

    The City Manager advised me that the City would have to spend $70,000 in legal
    fees because of Dallas Crown problems, which was the entire legal budget
    for the fiscal year.

    During this period, Dallas Crown paid property taxes that were less than half of
    what the City spent on legal fees directly related to Dallas Crown
    violations.

    Generally, Dallas Crown has the economic ability to prevail, to exceed the
    constraints of the City’s budget.

    Dallas Crown had a negative effect on the development of
    surrounding properties, and a horse slaughter plant is a stigma to the
    development of our city generally. I have since learned that these problems
    were mirrored at the other two plants. Fort Worth’s Beltex horse
    slaughter plant also violated Ft. Worth’s wastewater regulations several times,
    clogged sewer lines, and both spilled and pumped blood into a nearby creek (San
    Antonio Current, June 19, 2003 ). Texas State Rep. Lon Burnam,
    D-Fort Worth, whose district includes Beltex, and Rep. Toby Goodman, R-Arlington,
    fought hard against legislation that would have legalized horse slaughter in
    Texas in 2003.

    The more I learn about horse slaughter, the more certain I am:
    There is no justification for horse slaughter in this country. My city
    was little more than a door mat for a foreign-owned business that drained our
    resources, thwarted economic development and stigmatized our community.
    Americans don’t eat horses, and we don’t raise them for human consumption.
    There is no justification for spending American tax dollars to support this
    industry at the expense of Americans and our horses.

  • kat

    bronc buster. . . doesn’t that just say it all! Illiterate, too!

  • Sandi Brewer

    Horse meat contains Butte .. horses are not food. If you own an animal of any kind your responsibility is to care for it during it’s life and HUMANELY put it down when that time come. Horse slaughter is far from humane!

  • Shane

    to my bronc buster: if you aren’t a kill buyer of horses yourself, I would be quite surprised !

    Skip the fake outrage no one believes it ! The solution to ending transport to horse slaughter

    anywhere is to pass the SAFE act. There will be no standing at any borders, bronco billy after that, then what will be your argument ? And you’ll be out of a job, boo hoo, just like slave drivers were after the abolition of slavery. No more overturning of horse transports on the highways, causing a menace to life and limb in order for you to squeeze out your miserable existence predicated on suffering, squeezing in as many horses as you can into trailers. “No bute is found after six months?” Irrelevant since horse thieves won’t have the horses sixty minutes, thanks to your kind pushing for the return of slaughter plants. They’ll have them at the front of the slaughter line before the owners know they’re missing. Americans are not going to go back to that ! Rescue 200,000 horses a year ? No need to after your bosses in the commercial breeding industry stop overbreeding them in the first place. As to cowards, kill buyers take the prize ! You deliver them to the executioners, torture them on the way (e.g. shooting b.b’s in the eye to quiet biters), and are the ones dumping them out in the country when they are turned away, because of injuries you caused in transit. “A man has to be able to kill his own dog”? You think that is what a “man” is ?No, that’s the defintion of “sociopath”. Look it ip in Webster’s. You’ll find “Kill Buyer” next to it, then

    your picture. As for unicorn chasers, you will soon be a unicorn, as in extinct, kill buyer: missed Noah’s Ark and sure won’t be let through the Pearly Gates when St. Peter learns your profession !

  • kat

    Bravo! Shane, Bravo! Bronco buster my only hope is that when your time comes ( and I’m not wishing ill on anyone) you are afforded the same brand of mercy and compassion you don’t feel for anything else!

  • Shane

    from Shane to Susanmeanslilly, final refutations : “objecting to horse slaughter depends upon whether you classify horses as livestock or pets” Nope. I can object to my tax money being used, without a vote, to contaminate my state and cause an economic boycott of it. It is irrelevant what I consider horses to be ! “this issue is about property rights” wrong again ! You are asking people to subsidize your profits from horse slaughter with their tax money. So that issue is above and beyond all notion of property rights. Do I ask you to subsidize what I do for a living with your tax money ? No. That’s the difference. You benefit financially from the return of horse slaughter to the U.S. just as I surmised. Therefore you can’t pretend to be objective about the issue. You don’t have a right to use tax money to kill horses without my consent ! Remember “no taxation without representation” ? “There needs to be some disposal system for unwanted horses” ? Again, as you know quite well, if there are “unwanted horses” at all (unproven statistically !) it is because of

    your masters in the commercial horse breeding industry. Horses aren’t springing up magically like mushrooms. They are being overbred by those who classify 9 in 10 as “unwanted”: meaning for them “will never make me money on the racetrack/rodeo circuit.” Your premise is flawed from the beginning: those relying on the term “uwanted horses” are those creating the problem ! Again, it is false that there are any different regulations in the U.S. than Canada or Mexico. David Rains has announced his attention of shooting the horses in the kill pen with a shotgun. That certainly sounds more “humane” than a captive bolt or a butcher knife through the spine doesn’t it ? Class dismissed. Go home and take a class in logic.

    • Janna Lukens

      Well said!!!

  • Deedie

    Why are they trying to slaughter horses for human consumption when we don’t even eat horses in this country? We don’t even put it in pet food because it is unfit for dogs and cats to eat. So the plan is to sell it to people overseas?? Isn’t that deceptive? Isn’t that dishonest? Oh…wait..we’re dealing with people who support horse slaughter. Deception and dishonesty is how they do business, right? That’s about the only explanation that makes sense.

  • Janna Lukens

    I do not want horseslaughter in our country. I will do everything I can to keep it out of Missouri.

  • Radman

    I see a lot of people on both sides of this issue and the real question is why are horses so much different than a cow, goat sheep or any other animal used for food. In foreign countries they eat cats and dogs and are raised specially for that purpose. here is the USA they dump there cats and dogs on country roads hoping no one can identify who’s animal it is. they cause all kinds of harmful damage to wildlife and farm animals and yet if you talked of a way to use the tame animal for food it wood throw this country up in arms. Like any slaughtering process there are humane ways of doing it and there will always be people who violate the law. it has been proven in any industry someone is willing to be crooked. so this leads me back to why is a horse so much more special than any other animal?

    • Janna Lukens

      At this point, there are 175 comments, many of which directly answer your questions and address your “concerns”. Why don’t you try reading them.

  • Radman

    Why is Horse so much more important than any other animal used in the food chain? Why should it not be used for food?

    • Brenda Tyrrell

      The U.S. Food and Drug Administration currently bans the presence of 379 common equine drugs in animals slaughtered for human consumption. However, there is no procedure in place to ensure that American horses, sold to slaughterhouses and killed for human consumption, are free of these FDA-banned substances. Bute is a carcinogen and is a permanently banned substance in food animals which means no withdrawal period. Nitrofurazone, the most common wound ointment given to American horses, is also prohibited for use on any horse whose meat is shipped to the European community. Horses are not raised or regulated as food animals in the US and there isn’t any procedure in place to ensure that horses being bought at auction and sent to slaughter have not been given any of these permanently banned substances.

      • Redman

        Now that is better answer if it was leagle would you not have to ensure threw proper testing that the meat was safe?

        • Brenda Tyrrell

          Just because something is legal doesn’t mean that taxpayers have to foot the bill.

    • Janna Lukens

      Read the comments, Einstein. It has been explained over and over. (sheesh!)

  • Janna Lukens

    Exactly, Deedie. And WHO opened this can of worms? WHO secretly removed the defunding language? Ha! Senator Roy Blunt (R-MO) and Congressman Jack Kingston (R-GA), aka The Monsanto Twins! Along with Wisconsin’s Herb Kohl (Kohl’s stores), they took it upon themselves to restart horseslaughter. It wasn’t for “horse welfare”. It wasn’t because there’s an “overpopulation”. They did it because they work for Big Ag. They did it because they’re good little employees and they were amply paid to do their dirty little handiwork. No matter which side of the kill box you sit on, the methods of this type of clandestine, self-serving politician should NOT be tolerated.

    • Deedie

      And the GAO report was found to be fraudulent. They falsified the actual number of “abandoned horses” and made bogus claims about the prices of horses falling. The Colorado Department of Agriculture discovered the lies. It was reported in an article in Forbes. Of course, we already knew the truth.

      • Janna Lukens

        Once again, the fraudulent GAO report was a product of the Monsanto Twins – Sen. Roy Blunt (R-MO) and Jack Kingston (R-GA), in a conspiracy to start horse slaughter in the U.S. Not only do we need to stop the atrocity of horse slaughter, we also need to remove bad legislators who pull shenanigans for their Big Ag employers…

        • Deedie

          Yes, yes. I like to think of them all as big ag-holes.

      • susanmeanslily

        The GAO report hasn’t been found to be fraudulent. (Just because you read an opinion article written by a “guest contributor” doesn’t make it factual.)

  • Janna Lukens

    Just a slight correction of your typo. Horses are NOT considered to be livestock by the FDA. The FDA classifies horses as “companion animals like dogs and cats” not intended for slaughter. The FDA groups horses with other “PETS” and also lists them as “NON FOOD ANIMALS”. There are, unfortunately, people who stubbornly cling to their own misconceptions regardless of the truth. The TRUTH is that horses are catagorized as companion animals, service animals, and pets. No matter how many times one calls an apple an orange, it is still an apple. Everyone else knows it’s an apple. The orange-labelist just looks stubborn and stupid to the rest of the world.

    • Deedie

      Thank-you!! I’m glad you caught that!

  • louannef

    When the slaughter houses were operating here in Texas, our biggest fear in our horse community was finding our fences cut and horses missing. Texas Rangers and Inspectors at those facilities at least helped some in locating these horses, but many valuable, loved animals wound up there because of the money involved. And today the BLM animals of, which we own one are being promoted, auctioned off to participate in Million Dollar shows and people are buying them right and left. A great help to those animals in danger of being killed. . True there are hundreds and probably thousands of old, sick, injured and unwanted horses today. I have some oldies myself but when we feel it absolutely necessary we have them humanely put down and buried on our place or we have donated them to facilities where they also humanely put them down to feed to lions and tigers. Horses and dogs have been man’s best friends for centuries and if someone has never owned one, they just wouldn’t understand the emotional issues on destroying them in slaughter houses,

    • Deedie

      louannef, horsetheft is one of my main fears of the return of domestic horse slaughter and I don’t even live in Missouri. How inconsiderate and self-serving is the business of horse slaughter. I have four horses and 3 of them are elderly. My little mare has been with me since 1983 and she turns 31 in October. The thought of disposing of them at auction to a kill buyers is disturbing beyond words. The thought of doing that to any horse is disturbing.

  • LouieCocroft

    http://equinewelfarealliance.org/uploads/How_the_GAO_Deceived_Congress-final.pdf

    How the GAO Deceived Congress;
    And opened the way for horse slaughter to return

    • Janna Lukens

      This is such an important resource. Thank you for posting it!

  • Janna Lukens

    Wow! In the field of psychology, the term for your defense-mechanism is “PROJECTION”. It means that the charges one makes against others are actually applicable to one’s self. For instance, your use of “delusional unicorn chaser” could be made after looking in the mirror and not liking what you see – so to circumvent self-examination, you simply assign your complaint to someone else. It’s highly apparent here. This defense-mechanism works for people who, having a difficult time seeing the truth about themselves, PROJECT their own flaws onto others. I hear a lot of hostility, self-doubt and guilt in your posts. You might choose to examine your own feelings with the goal of self-enlightenment. The people you’re hating just might be yourself.

    In lieu of my rather didactic, academic explanation: I’m rubber you’re glue, your words bounce off me and stick to you. :)

    • ny bronc buster

      In the world of mental health, you’re medication requirements would be diagnosed as “not being met”. Delusional to the facts that just as many are being “processed” today as were seven years ago. Just admit defeat and refill your meds!

      • Janna Lukens

        “Delusional to the facts”. Yep. That definitely is PROJECTION. By the way, there has been not one of you pro-slaughterphiles who could defeat me. I’ve done the homework. I’ve learned the truth. Those in your cult just waste air spreading rumors, spewing forth the tired-old talking points. You like to “fight”. I like to educate. The more wrong you are, the more aggressive you get. You’re pretty aggressive………

    • ny bronc buster

      Your medication requirements are not being met. Projection? A couple hundred American horses will be stabbed in spine today in Mexico. Thank you for their pain and suffering.

      • Janna Lukens

        Oh my. What a clever come-back. You’ve gone way beyond mere defense mechanisms and are displaying all sorts of anti-social behavior. Perhaps your “medication requirements” are being met too often in too great an amount. I suggest you sober up and get some professional help.

  • Shane

    from Shane to Radman and BroncobusterBilly: now boys, I know diaper rash can be quite a problem at your age but now you are just repeating yourself in your tantrums in the absence of any really logical argument ! (or are you two of the names by Slaughterhouse Sue?)

    Now pay attention or you’ll have to wear the dunce cap again and sit in the corner !

    1)horses are different than cattle (just go to one of your picture books and see the difference if you can’t read yet !). Horses aren’t raised for food. Therefore they are given shots of substances already on the list of substances not meant for human ingestion. Horses can’t be “humanely” killed as LouieCoCroft below already explained as they are flight animals who do not go gently into that bad night you have planning for them at the slaughter plant . Stop repeating the same old B.S.
    about you don’t understand why horses are different than other animals. You must be a pretty bad bronco buster, billy, if you don’t know the difference !Horses aren’t in the food chain here, Radman, and Americans intend to keep it that way ! It is completely irrelevant what people in other countries eat, dimbulb. They’re not being asked to fork over $400,000 a year in taxes to pay for federal inspectors at each plant. Duh ! Now take out your picture books, boys, and look at the difference between the cow and the horse until you spot the differences. Here’s a clue: a horse goes neigh, a cow goes moo, a kill buyer goes Duh ! Get it ?!

    • Janna Lukens

      Hahaha! Yep. Broncobusted DOESN’T know the difference between a cow, a horse, and a unicorn! That’s funny. Maybe he landed on his head one time too many. lol

    • radman

      Actually in the comment you had only 2 valid comments. Nothing more than sarcasism actually shows the real truth about you’re stand on a serious issue. Now if you have a licensed slaughtered house for horses as a horse owner you would now have to maintain a complete trackable record system for every horse you own or board. This would require allot more dollars than the number you just threw out there. Now every slaughter house would have to have blood worked performed on every animal to ensure that the bad chemicals are not present. Now you are under the assumption that the government does inspections for free. So the cost to consumers would go up so would horse meat sold to consumers even be affordable. I am not staying whether I am for or against I am asking for a valid stance for or against horse slaughtering. Also your arguement is based on bullying tactics does that work for you in life because to me it is only a sign of your lack of knowledge of the whole issue.

  • Brenda Tyrrell

    And just exactly what are you doing-why don’t you take your own advice?

  • Brenda Tyrrell

    Where are the facts to back up your opinions? Daniel Patrick Moynihan famously said “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.” You offer your opinion about horse slaughter but you conveniently avoid the facts.

  • Randy

    If all the fast food chains served horse burgers everyone would be whining,that they wanted their
    Burgers. We slaughter Pigs, Goats, Sheep, Cattle, Turkeys and Chickens in this country year round by the millions for food consumption. But that’s okay. lol just don’t touch the horses.
    Who cares if some people eat a few horses. People been eating them way before any of us were born.
    It’s nothing new by any means. So tomorrow morning go chaw on that Bacon egg and Cheese
    Biscuit that you got at the drive thru window and do a little pondering. Yea, if the meat producers
    just stopped all together. most of this country and most others would Starve.
    So eat, Drink, and truly be thankful when you tear into that ham or turkey over the holidays.
    I know I sure will. :)

    • Brenda Tyrrell

      You obviously have no understanding about the difference between food animals and non-food animals. Horses are not raised or regulated as food animals in the US and are routinely given drugs, chemicals and treatments that are permanently banned substances in food animals-no withdrawals, no exceptions. There are no procedures in place to ensure that American horses sold to slaughterhouses for human consumption are free of these FDA-banned substances. Your argument that there isn’t any difference between food animals and horses in the US isn’t based on the facts; only your blind support of horse slaughter.

  • Curt

    A little information. Today 9/20/2013 The Judge in the HSUS FRER lawsuit against the USDA in the Valley Meat and Responsible Transportation added Rains Natural Meats as a participant. No horse slaughter will occur at Gallatin, MO. now . The Judge will decide in the future on the necessity of the NEPA to apply to this case. No horse slaughter in the US until this case is resolved.

  • Deedie

    I see a lot of people who do exactly that, ny. Many work tirelessly and try to outbid kill buyers. They do what they can. It would help an awful lot if irresponsible breeders would stop breeding for slaughter and pretending that they can’t do without it due to all of the “bad horses” that come out of their lousy breeding practices.

  • meatlover

    wow, after reading all 205 comments I hear the same ole same ole from the anti group. Posting opinion articles to prove your point is not fact. The facts are this, people in the US do eat horse meat, there are a lot of them every day eating it now. No, there is no hard documents
    that I can point to that would prove this fact, just my living it day after day. We just don’t advertise our food choices for fear of being terrorized by the anti movement. Terrorism, we, American’s are terrorized for our meat choices, how is that American? I have as much
    right to live in this country as you do, maybe even more, my ancestors trace back before the revolution and were some of the first to cross the land bridge into this country (proved by DNA Ancestry project), and we were eating horse meat even then.

    We are fine with your opinions on the bute and various other issues, but most of it is just opinion with no basis in fact. If you were a scientists such as myself you would know this. Making laws based on opinion and emotions infringes upon the rights of others to have their own opinions and emotions on the matter. This is America after all, land of the “free”. That means free to make my own choices, sure you’ve passed and enacted laws such as saying I can’t ride in my car without wearing my seat beat and the law enforces them, but that does not mean they are constitutional. Sure I can’t drive drunk, because my driving drunk can potentially take the life of someone else. My eating horse meat does not hurt your body or take your life. Your arguments are just pointing out that you think your opinions and what you believe to be facts are the only ones that matter, or in other words… might makes right, my stick is bigger than yours. This is the same thing King George III was saying when the revolutionaries began fighting back. Our constitution was suppose to protect us against your opinions and your monarchy rule.

    Why aren’t you screaming about all the processed food stuffs we put on the grocery shelves that cause cancers? Much of that is swept under the table because it’s not an emotional issue for you. Horse meat is safer than eating these processed food products and tastier too.

    Why would someone build a business model on a product that there is no demand for? the simple answer is they wouldn’t. Possibly you should entertain the idea that the documents you reference for the shrinking demand is just fluff. The demand is alive and well, if you choose not to believe that to make yourself feel better I have no problem with that. Here is something for you to ponder… If you are so sure there is no demand then why do you protest so much?

    • kk

      Maybe bring back fire ant slaughter. Isn’t fire ant meat in demand? The buyers won’t have to change their process. They can still stuff bunches into their death transport trucks and if the load gets rowdy, they can poke their little eyes out and beat them with the electric prods quid pro quo. They can haul them around for days too. Course the fire ant slaughter plants will need to update their equipment, but they’ll probably be able to figure out some way to snuff them, what with the demand and all.

    • Janna Lukens

      Haha! A closet horse-eater with a silly pseudonym, terrified of those who wish to make the world a kinder, gentler place. Funny. Actually, many of us ARE “screaming about all the processed food stuffs we put on the grocery shelves that cause cancers”. Meat has been linked to heart disease, cancer, diabetes, and many other health problems. I no longer eat it. I also avoid, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Aspertame, MSG, preservatives, food colorings, (etc.) and anything GE. I think it is hideous how the government has allowed the corporations to poison us. And now they want to poison our allies overseas by using our tax dollars to subsidize this drug-laden horsemeat exportation. They want to remove labeling. They want to genetically engineer salmon and other meat animals. It actually isn’t a good time to be a meateater.

      As to your opinion that America is “free”, well, that just goes to show how bamboozled you are.

      As for you opinion that those who oppose horse slaughter are operating solely on emotions:

      • Food safety is not emotional.

      • Environmental impact is not emotional.

      • Increased crime is not emotional.

      • Lowered property values are not emotional.

      • Taxpayer money used to prop up overseas profits is not emotional.

      • Horse theft for slaughter is not emotional, except to the bereft owner.

      • The documented abuse and cruelty of horse transport by kill buyers in the U.S. is
      not emotional. It’s criminal.

      We could debate the issue, but since you lied about being a “scientist” (obviously you are not), I won’t waste any more time on you.

    • Brenda Tyrrell

      You call yourself a “scientist” but you don’t base your position on facts, you assume. Who is “we are fine with your opinions on bute and various other issues but most of it is just opinion?” Do you ever look at the sources that are mentioned in what you term “opinion articles”? Often times, the source is the USDA or other reputable sources.

      You say “we do not advertise our food choices” but you don’t bother to take into consideration that those who support horse slaughter are the minority in this country since 80% of Americans support a ban on horse slaughter.

      An assumption you make is that no one is opposing all the processed foods, GMO crap and pesticide laden foods that the USDA considers edible. FYI, US horse meat is not safer than eating processed foods, GMO foods, etc. It is cancer causing and is just as bad as the foods you mentioned.

      What about the environmental violations associated with horse slaughter? Paula Bacon, former mayor of Kaufman, TX, wrote a letter about her experiences with the Dallas Crown horse slaughter plant in her community. Did you bother to read it? Her experiences and that of the community are not opinion when they lived through the devastation of the horse slaughter plant every day until it was closed.

      What about the criminal violations such as transportation violations that occurred when horse slaughter plants were open in the US and are occurring as horses are shipped over the borders to slaughter? What about the horses that are stolen and sent to slaughter?

      If there is a demand for horse meat in Europe then let them slaughter their own horses. The funding for the USDA has been cut considerably and as a result it makes more sense to use taxpayer funds to inspect the foods that Americans do eat.

      If you bothered to read any of the studies, press releases or articles you might learn something but you already have your mind made up and you would prefer to assume rather than look at the facts.

  • thacker

    Most you people are plumb backwards. Check the facts before you run you mouth about anything on horse slaughter. We still send almost the same number of horses to slaughter but only they go to Canada or Mexico where the standards for humane treatment in almost 0. The US is once again missing out on revenue that slaughter brings. And horse owners are also missing out on their own options available. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE ROSES.

    • Janna Lukens

      Check out what kind of “humane treatment” occurred in the U.S. horse slaughter house of horrors. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE BUTE!

  • deedie

    Pro slaughter advocates are notorious for breeding “bad” horses that are only fit for killing. You’d think these sorts would stop breeding since they put so many bad horses on the ground. Crap breeders are a big part of the problem, too. That’s where all of the “unwanted horses” come from.

  • Deedie

    Go back and read the comments here and see why YOUR crusade to see horses slaughtered and tortured in the US is failing miserably. LIke it or not, we are evolving beyond that evil practice that you consider humane.

  • LouieCocroft

    Dallas Crown Employee list information supplied by the City of
    Kaufman
    http://www.kaufmanzoning.net/image001.jpg

  • LouieCocroft

    http://equinewelfarealliance.org/uploads/Moran_Amendment_FINAL.pdf

    The High Price of Horse Slaughter

    Slaughter represents less than 3 cents for every $100 of revenue in the horse industry. It has nothing to do with the health of the horse industry. All slaughter has ever brought to
    U.S. communities besides animal cruelty is environmental and economic devastation.
    The jobs are few and very poor; the profits along with the
    “product” are shipped off to foreign owners of slaughter facilities. As Paula
    Bacon, mayor of Kaufman, Texas when a horse slaughter facility operated there,
    said, “Our community did not benefit. We paid”.

  • Animal fan

    No wonder America is in such a mess!!! It is a filthy uncivilized animal abusing country.
    Up until 12 months ago I traveled here at least on an annual basis but NO MORE due to the general poor treatment of animals and hunting etc. Many other people feel the same and this is having a massive negative impact on your tourism and thus economy as people boycott America.Time to become civilized and treat all animals with respect.

  • susanmeanslily

    I was talking about domestic slaughter plants. The value of horses decreased dramatically.

  • Radman

    Would horse slaughtering create a new type of horse industry with horses just raised for slaughter? I agree that is what horses are used for now and I do agree that they are heavily medicated. I just do not see why the horse should be given a higher place on the food chain. I do how ever understand about the medicated portion being bad for us but at the same time these animals are being slaughtered and used in dog food operations. so we are serving these highly medicated animals to another form of pet in our society. I think done properly and with the correct regulations it could be done. whether it is done on a level that is affordable to buy the meat is a whole new issue. another issue is the inspection and in order to tell if the horse is full of bad drug cocktails they would have to perform blood tests before slaughtering and to me I do not see how that can be profitable. But still the question remains why is the horse exempt from slaughtering for human consumption? It could be done safely and correctly if the industry was groomed correctly. just like the affordable care act it is going to have problems but yet we are forced to work them out. this issue is not a dead issue it is only going to get bigger as more players enter the into the arena.

    • jemstar

      Please note: The second vote (in agreement) to this comment from Radman to barb, posted a month ago, was clicked on by mistake. If I could un-click it I would. So when you get a total, remember to subtract 1.

      • Radman

        who cares about a total of what ever. I am having a conversation and do not raise horses.

  • JanWindsong

    keep spewing lies susanmeanslily – you will believe them after a while. Your own goddess of the slovenly has started her own home business raising horses for slaughter. Guess she likes operating at a loss. But then she is as big a loser as they come, so maybe you are right…not

  • Janna Lukens

    You’ve lost, ny bronc buster. You’re no match here. Now why don’t you go back into your bucking chute and lick your wounds. You might even enjoy the flavor. Yum!

  • dk

    If people are not breeding horses for slaughter, Susan, then they shouldn’t enter the slaughter pipeline, because they will have been given drugs that are unfit for human consumption. So, there you have it. Horse slaughter and the transportation of horses for slaughter should be banned.

  • Deedie

    I know they’re not going on a vacation to Mexico. That’s why we’re going to get the SAFE Act passed to stop horses from being transported for slaughter. Period. You’re the one who keeps going on about unicorns like a twelve year old girl, not me. I just thought it was sweet that someone who calls themselves “ny bronc buster” is so crazy about unicorns. Cute.

  • Deedie

    I haven’t sentenced anybody to Mexico. I didn’t send any horses to Santa Maria today. I’m not a kill buyer. Go chase after your unicorns….bronc buster…

  • susanmeanslily

    Are you referring to the article written by John Holland who works for the Animal Welfare Alliance? That isn’t proof, that is an unsubstantiated claim by a Special Interest Group.

    • Brenda Tyrrell

      But I bet you jump on every word high paid lobbyist Charlie Stenholm, Wyoming Representative Sue Wallis or Attorney Blair Dunn states about horse slaughter whether they have proof or not. Stenholm was given the GAO Horse Welfare Report before it was released because he mentioned that it would be favorable to their cause at their annual horse slaughter convention.

  • vetchicks

    I work for an all-equine veterinarian. I see these “unwanted horses” that people say are not out there. In many cases, they ARE wanted. But in the current economy, people cannot afford to care for them. Many counties and townships have bans on horse burial. Equine slaughter is something that must happen for the welfare of the remaining horses. I’d rather see horses sold for slaughter than see horses suffering because there just isn’t enough money to cover the vet and feed bills. You can’t look at this as ONLY a meat-for-human-consumption issue. There are other uses for horse meat and products besides human consumption. The fact that we don’t eat horse meat in this country is irrelevant. It’s not the horse owner who sends a single horse that should be condemned, anyway. The vast number of healthy horses going to slaughter right now are from people who claim to love horses – in the racing industry. Thorobreds who can’t make it on the track are shipped off by the truckload to Canada or Mexico. There is nothing else wrong with them. Why should this be available only to people who can afford to cover it up? The real issue here is the treatment during transport and during the holding period. If there were regional slaughterhouses, these horses would not have to suffer long, dehydrating rides on packed, airless trailers. The actual slaughter process itself, while not pleasant to watch, is not a torture for the animals. It is quick and humane. (If you want to see awful, watch poultry slaughter.) You also cannot look at the issue as if it were slaughter of dogs and cats. You’re not comparing apples to apples here. Dogs and cats do not take up the room, eat the same amounts, or cost the same in day-to-day upkeep. A horse – just to provide BASIC nutrition to – this is before you pay board, vet care, or any other related costs – is over $200 per month. FOR EVERY HORSE. I am weary of seeing horses suffer because people simply cannot afford to do more. And these are not people who are irresponsible. They are not breeders. They are not trainers. They are not people who have “turned horses mean.” These are people who had good jobs and disposable income a few years ago, when the economy was better. While some of these people have the luxury of being able to euthanize horses and bury them on their property, some don’t. Some are losing homes, farms, and everything else. They should not be judged if they decide to send one horse to slaughter rather than not be able to feed it or provide it with acceptable medical care or adequate facility. Believe me, it is not an easy decision for them.
    I love horses. I love to see them taken care of, happy and fat and grazing. I have never met anyone – in 20 years of my job – that breeds for slaughter, or that takes the issue of slaughter lightly. I do not breed horses, but I do own two. I know what horse upkeep costs. I believe that horses – while they ARE companion animals – are ALSO livestock, and people should have the choice, if they need it.

    • Brenda Tyrrell

      The old “horse slaughter is a necessary evil” argument while ignoring the environmental and criminal aspects inherent in the horse slaughter industry. There are other options and states do offer help for those who need it. There is abundant, well-documented evidence of the environmental, equine welfare, transportation and criminal violations that occurred when horse slaughter plants were open in the US and they are still occurring as horses are shipped over the borders to slaughter. You say that those who oppose horse slaughter do so only as a “meat-for’human-consumption issue” but you push horse slaughter from a slaughter-for-equine-welfare position while ignoring the environmental and criminal aspects of horse slaughter. Horse slaughter has nothing to do with horse welfare because once a horse enters the path to slaughter, they are never treated humanely again.

  • Shane

    to vetchchiks , well let’s try a new way of getting through. This response was such a mass of contradictions I almost long for the simplicity of the cut-and-paste jobs sent out by Stenholm’s lobbyists to the pro horse slaughter fringe group ! 1) “the fact that we don’t eat horse meat in this country is irrelevant” to the fact that you are demanding taxpayers support it when there isn’t enough money to cover inspections of the pork and beef, etc. they do eat “? You can’t see the sheer idiocy of this statement ? How about if we just change one word so you can see how absurd it is : “the fact that we don’t eat elephant meat in this country is irrelevant, we should still force taxpayers to subsidize elephant slaughter houses so that crooked veterinarian assistants won’t lose their jobs moonlighting as corporate shills”. Now do you see its absurdity ? 2)”I believe that horses are both companion animals and livestock”. No, the terms are contradictory. That is the same as saying I believe that a person can be both a soulless profiteer and a saint abounding with compassion for suffering animals. Nope. 3) again, you commit the logical fallacy of either/or excluded alternatives: “either we resume horse slaughter in the U.S. or we will continue to allow them to be transported to Canada or Mexico for slaughter”. If you were alive in 1830, you would

    doubtless be arguing that it wasn’t slavery that was wrong, requiring abolition, but the terrible transport conditions ! No one is forced to choose between two evils here. Do away with both by
    abolishing transport of horses to slaughter anywhere from the United States. “Equine slaughter is something that must happen for the welfare of the remaining horses” ?! I am quite glad you are not in charge of conducting war crimes hearings ! “Total genocide of the country was called for after the massacres which had already occurred. It was the humane thing to do. Wholesale slaughter of human beings is something that must happen for the welfare of the remaining people we hadn’t yet killed.” See the idiocy now with just a change in the variables in your sentences ? No ? Then you are a hopeless case.

  • susanmeanslily

    As far as I know there isn’t any place in America where you can buy horse meat. If it is in the grocery store, and is selling for less money than beef, there will be a lot of Americans who will buy it. Money is tight, so people are looking for good value. Horse meat is very nutritious.

  • susanmeanslily

    I would be very interested in the study you claim the Colorado Department of Agriculture did regarding the GAO report. I can’t seem to find a link. Please provide.

  • karen cazzaniga

    Killing a horse needs to be ILLEGAL, SIMPLE
    Horses are the foundation of our country once relied upon for transportation.
    I own a horse her name is Lucy, once she nudged me up to my knees when I fell faint.
    They have true compassionate feelings toward there owners, what goes around comes around,,STOP KILLING HORSES !!!!

  • jemstar

    I will never buy meat from David Rains, Rains Natural Meats, in Gallatin, MO ever again. You stated that you have been driving a bus to pay the bills. So what. Lots of people have jobs. But to make more money you now actually choose to slaughter horses. Horses? Family pets and companions? Horses are not livestock. Cloven-hooved animals are livestock; cattle, sheep, goats.. As I said before, I will never darken your door again. I can’t believe this is happening in Gallatin, MO, one of my hometowns.