Raw Milk Dairy Responsible for E. Coli Outbreak
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More Headlines from Lawsuits & Litigation »**"Although the Hartmanns had told the court they wanted to keep the embargoed dairy products for 'personal use,' the court said 'a claim that a family of four will personally consume 900 packages, forty-odd tubs and boxes of cheese and 76 cases of butter is not credible.' "**
This screwball Hartmann and his whacky 'raw' milk supporters are possibly the most absurd people in Minnesota...in the wonderland of Jesse Ventura et al. Simply unbelievable.
Too bad they can't lock the dirty buggerer up and throw away the key. He's obviously a menace to society.
Doc Mudd why are you trying to infringe on the rights of the people that choose to purchase Hartmann's products. Don't be so hypocritical. I'm sure you have smoke, drank or done something not socially acceptable or legal in your lifetime but guess what? That's no ones business but your own. Stay out of people's business. I bet you're a repube.
Wow Doc. Anyone make you consume the milk?? It's a decision we make to consume raw milk. I have educated myself on the pros and cons of it and make my choices accordingly. I can get sick from milk bought from a store! I can get sick eating lettuce. I think the Gov't should stay out of the business and those that want to drink the milk, more power to them. I wish the Hartmann's the best as they deal with this.
In the first place I would like to preempt any ad hominem attacks from Ms. Hardin and assure her that I am not a "repube" or a "demoe". Also I do not concur with Mr. Mudd that the Hartmann brothers are "dirty buggerers' or that for the offenses of which they are accused they should be locked up and the key thrown away.
I am a firm believer in evolution and believe that anyone who wants to consume raw milk because they believe that it is better than pasteurized milk (or that participate an any other practice detrimental to their survival -- see Ms. Hardins examples) should be free to improve the human gene pool by removing themselves from it.
The real issue, which Ms. Hardin does not mention, is that the Hartmanns were producing contaminated milk in unsanitary conditions which caused a number of people to be sickened, and that they sold that milk in locations other than their farm. Both of these actions are against the laws and regulations of the state of Minnesota. It is these actions not the sale of raw milk that the Hartmanns are being prosecuted (Ms. Hardin may say persecuted) for. Even if one believes that raw milk is beneficial I find it hard to understand why one would not want to see the Hartmanns hung out to dry for what they did, which was sell their customers a contaminated product.
If someone wants to consume raw milk, Ms. Hardin is correct that it is their right as adults to do so. However I am troubled that one of the people made seriously ill was an infant. Perhaps the Minnesota Department Of Social Services should check out whether the beliefs and actions of this child's parents are not a danger to the child.
The real issue which Ms. Hardin does not mention is that the Hartmanns were producing contaminated milk in unsanitary conditions which caused a number of people to be sickened, and selling that milk in locations other than their farm. Both of these actions are against the laws and regulations of the state of Minnesota. It is these actions not the sale of raw milk that the Hartmans are being prosicuted (Ms. Hardin may say persecuted) for. Even if one believes that raw milk if benificial I find it hard to understand why one would not want to see the Hartmans hung out to dry for what they did.
If someone wants to consume raw milk, Ms. Hartman is correct that is is their right. However I am troubled that one of the people made seriously ill was an infant. Perhaps the Minnesota Department Of Social Services should check out whether the beliefs and actions of this child's parents are not a danger to it.
As Leon says the real issue "is that the Hartmanns were producing contaminated milk in unsanitary conditions which caused a number of people to be sickened."
This is certainly true and certainly not party only to the production of RAW milk. Contamination of milk in unsanitary conditions can (and does) occur in conventional dairies, the consequences are usually nullified by the process of pasteurization. Raw milk dairies must therefore be held to higher standards of sanitation as they do not have the fail safe of the pasteurization process.
The Hartmanns and their practices were wrong but the product isn't. It is possible to produce safe and sanitary raw milk if proper production practices are used.
I think that it is extremely important to make this product/practice distinction in this debate.
I would also like to question the validity of a law that makes off-farm sales of raw milk illegal; what is the point? Is it based in regard for consumer safety? Shouldn't the laws and regulations be focused on the production practices that affect the safety of the milk, not just how and where it is marketed?